Page 8 of 13 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 129

Thread: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

  1. #71
    Guru
    Ben K.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Dublin, Ireland
    Last Seen
    12-14-17 @ 02:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,717

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusion that this would lead to a democratic government or necessarily better lives for Libyan people. I agree no one would miss Gaddafi, except for perhaps those who benefited the most under him.
    Libya is still very much tribal, and women are still disproportionately shunned out from society as objects to men's discretion.
    So whether or not this is good news is relative.

    The undeniable case here is that the international coalition was a success - this should be the model of how countries intervene - balancing the military power in favor of popular stance rather than go it alone cowboy silliness.
    This is the important part. The Iraq and Afghan wars were over quicker but were associated with long and costly occupations thereafter. This won't be the case here, if the transition is difficult as it always is, it will be the Libyans responsibility.

  2. #72
    Global Moderator
    Custom User Title
    LaughAtTheWorld's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Seoul/Chicago
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:14 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    9,542

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/africa...vil-war-2.html

    Look at post 12. Pretty sums up my views
    "The misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all" - Joan Robinson
    "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries" - Winston Churchill

  3. #73
    wʜɪтe яussɪaи Tashah's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    ישראל • אמריקה
    Last Seen
    05-12-14 @ 04:00 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,379

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Moderator's Warning:
    Fighting Erupts in TripoliEarning my pay... 3 threads merged.

    אשכנזי היהודי • Белый Россию

  4. #74
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Didn't you use to make the case that the US SHOULD intervene in these kinds of things.

    I seem to remember clearly you advocating intervention i Cote Divoire.
    Is it not possible to support action in one situation and not the other? Foreign policy should be a bit more nuanced than a declaration on whether we will intervene in "these kinds of things."

    So sending troops in would be fine to deal with an internal conflict, but giving the rebels a nudge with some airstrikes isn't...
    Were the situations exactly the same?
    Last edited by Kandahar; 08-22-11 at 11:18 AM.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

  5. #75
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,508

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm surprised too. It took them so long to slog through territory that was purportedly more friendly to them. Then they just sliced through that last stretch which should have been most loyal to Daffy. Suggests to me that Daffy had little backing even in his region of traditional support.
    Breaking News: He is alive and fighting.

    Dammit. I was hoping they'd have this morning.

    Loyalists at Qaddafi compound hold off rebels - CBS News

  6. #76
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,508

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It only took a complete violation of the Constitution of the United States, a violation of the War powers resolution and about 6 months longer than it took to capture Baghdad but the US commander in chief took us to war without congressional consent and promised us it would take weeks rather than months.

    Now that rebel forces are in the Libyan capital do we pretend we didn’t kill civilians and that everyone will live happily ever after in Libya while pretending the wars that congress approved were an evil blight on America’s reputation while this war is just and good?
    Did Clinton violate the constitution when he bombed Serbia and Kosovo? Did Reagan violate the constitution when he bombed Libya?

  7. #77
    Sage
    Erod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    North Texas
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:00 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    13,072

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Next up: Syria.

    That now makes it Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya................

    In the offing: Yemen, Iran, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, North Korea, etc, and one day, China and Russia.

    This part of the world just needs to start over.

  8. #78
    Sage
    AdamT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-13 @ 04:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    17,773

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    If someone had suggested this two years ago I'd have said they were crazy.


  9. #79
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,508

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    That's an amazing picture. All those people celebrating and waving the flag, and there isn't an actual resistance leader leading them.

  10. #80
    Dungeon Master
    Hooter Babe

    DiAnna's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Northern California
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    32,648
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Wow, some of the posts in this thread are... surprisingly obtuse and revisionistic. First, this is not "America's" war. It's the Libyan rebels' war. America isn't supporting the rebels. NATO is supporting the rebels. The charge to get NATO involved was led by France, Italy and Spain. Europe gets a big hunk of its oil from Libya, after all. America has conducted no trade whatsoever with Libya since the mid-80's. America is, however, a part of NATO, and agreed to lend its aid. This isn't "Obama's war" and it's a pretty damned desperate sign of partisian hackery on those who imply otherwise.

    I'm pretty damned sick of reading all the "America killed Libyan civilians" crap. Were civilians possibly killed by NATO armaments? Yes. Were civilians being slaughtered by the thousands by Khadafi's troops? Most definitely. I hope Khadafi goes down, just like the 3 sons who have already been captured. I hope that the coming power vacuum isn't filled by yet another tyranical dictator. I hope Libyans get the freedoms they are seeking, but if they do, America will have had little to do with it. We didn't bleed for their freedoms. They did.

Page 8 of 13 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •