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    Re: Rebels in the Green Square

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    Re: Rebels in the Green Square

    haha my apologies, by all means Mr. Mod, merge the threads.
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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    anyone here fluent in arabic, BBC Arabic radio has brilliant coverage from Libya. they are interviewing people in Tripoli. very emotional.
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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Gaddafis forces were slaughtering and raping civilians this whole time... I don't know where you were when this was happening.
    I see no evidence that Gaddafi's forces behaved any worse than rebel forces did. Or that NATO intervention saved more lives than it cost. Or that the rebels have any more moral authority than Gaddafi did. I think this whole line of thinking is rooted in the premise that the United States is always the "good guy," and anyone who opposes the United States is always the "bad guy."

    Let's not forget that just a year ago, our rapprochement with Libya was being heralded as a great success story, because it demonstrated that a pariah could give up his WMDs and rejoin the international community. Now we turned against him at the first opportunity. That lesson has certainly not been lost on America's other (more important) enemies; Kim Jong-il has reportedly cited Gaddafi's naivete as an example of why the United States can never be trusted. NATO certainly wouldn't have ****ed with Gaddafi if he had biological weapons he could drop on Italy.

    Good for the people of Libya for getting rid of him and I wish them the best...but it's hard for me to see how our involvement was a net positive.
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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Hopefully Qadaffi will be gone soon but i still do not support the US involvement in this at all...


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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    I couldnt care less about this. Its just a shift of one type of 3rd world community to another 3rd world community. Both savages for the most part and in no way makes the world any better. Im sure they will bitch about the US too even after we give them money.
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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    This is good news. I'm glad it ended up with victory on the rebels' side, even if it did take long. If it was the other way around and the rebels were squashed that would be terrible and I'm glad it ended up with good news. This means a democratic government and better life for the Libyan people, I'm sure no one will miss Gaddafi.

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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

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    even if it did take long.
    6 months to violently overthrow a dictator? How many civil wars can you name that went quicker?
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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Good for the people of Libya for getting rid of him and I wish them the best...but it's hard for me to see how our involvement was a net positive.
    Didn't you use to make the case that the US SHOULD intervene in these kinds of things.

    I seem to remember clearly you advocating intervention i Cote Divoire.

    QUOTE=Kandahar;1059185892]The United States should send troops into Cote D'Ivoire if necessary. It would cost us virtually nothing, the troops wouldn't have to be there more than a couple months, and they would have a clear mission: to help establish the legitimately elected government. This is exactly the kind of situation where we should be more willing to deploy our military.[/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    People would still view it as American involvement...but without the benefits, efficiency, and ease with which the US military could topple the Gbagbo junta.
    So sending troops in would be fine to deal with an internal conflict, but giving the rebels a nudge with some airstrikes isn't...

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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    This is good news. I'm glad it ended up with victory on the rebels' side, even if it did take long. If it was the other way around and the rebels were squashed that would be terrible and I'm glad it ended up with good news. This means a democratic government and better life for the Libyan people, I'm sure no one will miss Gaddafi.
    I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusion that this would lead to a democratic government or necessarily better lives for Libyan people. I agree no one would miss Gaddafi, except for perhaps those who benefited the most under him.
    Libya is still very much tribal, and women are still disproportionately shunned out from society as objects to men's discretion.
    So whether or not this is good news is relative.

    The undeniable case here is that the international coalition was a success - this should be the model of how countries intervene - balancing the military power in favor of popular stance rather than go it alone cowboy silliness.

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