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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    It only took a complete violation of the Constitution of the United States, a violation of the War powers resolution and about 6 months longer than it took to capture Baghdad but the US commander in chief took us to war without congressional consent and promised us it would take weeks rather than months.

    Now that rebel forces are in the Libyan capital do we pretend we didn’t kill civilians and that everyone will live happily ever after in Libya while pretending the wars that congress approved were an evil blight on America’s reputation while this war is just and good?

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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    Is that what Big Brother told you to think?

    Ah yes - armed militias and bombing people into democracy, all the trademarks of
    a U.S. led color revolution.
    Actually no, all the US-led color revolutions were pseudo-democratic (Onset of Imperial Decline: Osama Bin Laden and the Aftermath of 9/11)
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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It only took a complete violation of the Constitution of the United States, a violation of the War powers resolution and about 6 months longer than it took to capture Baghdad but the US commander in chief took us to war without congressional consent and promised us it would take weeks rather than months.

    Now that rebel forces are in the Libyan capital do we pretend we didnít kill civilians and that everyone will live happily ever after in Libya while pretending the wars that congress approved were an evil blight on Americaís reputation while this war is just and good?
    Actually the War Powers Resolution is probably unconstitutional, and Obama had the grudging approval of Congress for the mission. Our role was quite limited, not a single American life was lost, and unlike Iraq, this was a popular revoution against a tyrant who actually DID support terrorism. Oh yeah, and we kept the Gaddafi from slaughtering the rebels as Assad is now doing in Syria.

    Hard to imagine a better outcome ... so far. Now we have to hope that the reports are true and that, if so, the new government represents an upgrade.

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    Re: Libyan Rebels Advance Into Central Tripoli

    Already a thread on this story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually the War Powers Resolution is probably unconstitutional, and Obama had the grudging approval of Congress for the mission. Our role was quite limited, not a single American life was lost, and unlike Iraq, this was a popular revoution against a tyrant who actually DID support terrorism. Oh yeah, and we kept the Gaddafi from slaughtering the rebels as Assad is now doing in Syria.

    Hard to imagine a better outcome ... so far. Now we have to hope that the reports are true and that, if so, the new government represents an upgrade.
    Obama had no approval from congress, claimed that the WPR was constitutional and that his declaration of war was consistent with the WPR. This pretty much seals the deal for Presidential power to go to war with whomever a president wants, for whatever reason he wants, for however long he wants and if congress has a problem with it, let them pull funding from the troops. Great victory indeed.

    It is good to know that we are the ones who killed civilians rather than the dictator isn’t it? It is good to know that we waged war in violation of our constitution and the WPR while pretending everyone who can read said documents are complete idiots if they disagreed with our slick interpretation thereof and it is good to know that Gaddafi is dead and can no longer threaten the US.

    Oh, Gaddafi isn’t dead? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
    We have no way of controlling what type of government takes over? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
    We spent nearly a trillion dollars? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
    We killed thousands of civilians with our bombs? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...

    Forgive me if I don’t run into the streets to celebrate, because I know we could have and should have done better.
    Last edited by GPS_Flex; 08-22-11 at 02:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Rebels in the Green Square

    Libya: Rebels In Tripoli As Gaddafi Regime Appears To Crumble And Green Square Celebrates | World News | Sky News

    It seems this revolution is close to it's end. What does that mean exactly, though? Will the rebellion be able to find a governance or will the government of Libya fall asunder?
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    Re: Rebels in the Green Square

    already 2 threads on this topic tonight. This is #3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Rebels in the Green Square

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    already 2 threads on this topic tonight. This is #3.
    Thank you Mr. Mod

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    Re: Rebels in the Green Square

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    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Fighting Erupts in Tripoli

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It is good to know that we are the ones who killed civilians rather than the dictator isn’t it?
    Gaddafis forces were slaughtering and raping civilians this whole time... I don't know where you were when this was happening.

    Oh, Gaddafi isn’t dead? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
    Not yet... hopefully if he's captured, like his son he will be handed over to the Hague and tried for war crimes, and we will see true justice.

    We have no way of controlling what type of government takes over? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
    Well... thats always the risk you take with this kind of thing.

    We spent nearly a trillion dollars? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
    This thing did not cost a trillion dollars

    We killed thousands of civilians with our bombs? Hard to imagine a better outcome ...
    Hope you have something to back that up, I know NATO bombs did kill some civillians, but not to my knowledge thousands.

    Buzz Killington.

    I don't know why you hate America, and the troops, and want America to lose, and don't want Libyans to be free and........................ Sorry I coulda sworn it was 2003.

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