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    Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Costco, the membership warehouse-club chain, was an early leader in offering electric-vehicle charging to its customers, setting an example followed by other retailers, including Best Buy and Walgreen. By 2006, Costco had installed 90 chargers at 64 stores, mostly in California but also some in Arizona, New York and Georgia.


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    Plug In America, the California-based E.V. advocacy group, contends that the stations do get used, and is conducting arigorous grassroots campaign to save them. The group asserts that some of the units have been delivering free electricity to loyal E.V. owners for a decade or more, and that people regularly plug in.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Putting up 90 chargers was nothing more than a PR stunt anyways. For the time being, electric cars need to rely on conventional outlets and extension cords. As technology and production increases, gas stations probably will start including charging stations. The minimal infrastructure needed for a charging station means that you could include them in retail stores, but it hardly is a requirement.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Putting up 90 chargers was nothing more than a PR stunt anyways. For the time being, electric cars need to rely on conventional outlets and extension cords. As technology and production increases, gas stations probably will start including charging stations. The minimal infrastructure needed for a charging station means that you could include them in retail stores, but it hardly is a requirement.
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Another in the long line of not so well thought out infrastructure ideas that are supposed to save us from evil oil. Meanwhile we can press forward killing the oil industry with nothing to take its place. Great plan libs.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Another in the long line of not so well thought out infrastructure ideas that are supposed to save us from evil oil. Meanwhile we can press forward killing the oil industry with nothing to take its place. Great plan libs.

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    Oh wait Costco is an independant company seeking to make money and most likely installed the charging stations to attract certain customers. The plan didnt work.
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Hey man, wasn't my idea. I'm a progressive and I'm all about reducing fossil fuel use and preserving the environment. Which is to say, I'm all about things that ACTUALLY do that. Not things that just pretend to.

    I'm for electric cars that *work.* And when I say work, I mean "are practical in the situations which drivers may encounter." Currently, there aren't any. And hybrids aren't any better. People who own hybrids thinking they're helping the environment clearly haven't done a bit of homework on it and bought it to seem "green" because that's seen as socially acceptable. If they had done their homework, they'd know that they could get any number of gas and diesel cars that actually have much, much better mileage. I similarly laugh at people who support ethanol for the same reasons - if they'd done their homework they would know they're not helping anything.

    I like things that work. There's a lot more to it than image. "Green" tech that doesn't work is pointless. As such, I can't really blame Costco. It's a huge waste of their time and money.

    Right now, if you wanna be fuel efficient and as green as is practically possible while still being in a car? Go diesel or Smart. Hybrids aren't even in the running. Hell, most European cars get as good of mileage as the best hybrids, and a lot of them do even better. Some hybrids get worse mileage than my dad's Taurus.
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Hey man, wasn't my idea. I'm a progressive and I'm all about reducing fossil fuel use and preserving the environment. Which is to say, I'm all about things that ACTUALLY do that. Not things that just pretend to.

    I'm for electric cars that *work.* And when I say work, I mean "are practical in the situations which drivers may encounter." Currently, there aren't any. And hybrids aren't any better. People who own hybrids thinking they're helping the environment clearly haven't done a bit of homework on it and bought it to seem "green" because that's seen as socially acceptable. If they had done their homework, they'd know that they could get any number of gas and diesel cars that actually have much, much better mileage. I similarly laugh at people who support ethanol for the same reasons - if they'd done their homework they would know they're not helping anything.

    I like things that work. There's a lot more to it than image. "Green" tech that doesn't work is pointless. As such, I can't really blame Costco. It's a huge waste of their time and money.

    Right now, if you wanna be fuel efficient and as green as is practically possible while still being in a car? Go diesel or Smart. Hybrids aren't even in the running. Hell, most European cars get as good of mileage as the best hybrids. Some hybrids get worse mileage than my dad's Taurus.
    The Leaf and the Volt are fairly practical electric/hybrid cars. The Volt has the higher potential as a primary vehicle. It can cover around 40 miles on battery power which would cover the majority of trips made by people. The problem is that it is very expensive and does not have the interior to make up for that cost

    As for some hybrids getting worse gasmilage then your dads Taurus. Yes some do, but they are also faster then your dads Taurus, more luxurious then the Taurus, and get better mileage then comparable cars. The Infiniti M35h does not compete with the Taurus, but the MB E350 and it gets better mileage then the MB 35 with better performance. Some hybrids are not about getting the best gas milage in the car industry, but improving efficiency in that particular car without a significant decrease in performance. Typically the Japanese are going this route, while the Germans downsize the engines and turbocharge them
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Right now, if you wanna be fuel efficient and as green as is practically possible while still being in a car? Go diesel or Smart. Hybrids aren't even in the running. Hell, most European cars get as good of mileage as the best hybrids, and a lot of them do even better. Some hybrids get worse mileage than my dad's Taurus.
    I don't think so. Last I checked, they were around 50mpg, easily twice an old toyota. I'm sure if you checked average mpg for similar vehicles, hybrids blow them away. I don't know from what cherry picking you get the above "data".
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The Leaf and the Volt are fairly practical electric/hybrid cars. The Volt has the higher potential as a primary vehicle. It can cover around 40 miles on battery power which would cover the majority of trips made by people. The problem is that it is very expensive and does not have the interior to make up for that cost

    As for some hybrids getting worse gasmilage then your dads Taurus. Yes some do, but they are also faster then your dads Taurus, more luxurious then the Taurus, and get better mileage then comparable cars. The Infiniti M35h does not compete with the Taurus, but the MB E350 and it gets better mileage then the MB 35 with better performance. Some hybrids are not about getting the best gas milage in the car industry, but improving efficiency in that particular car without a significant decrease in performance. Typically the Japanese are going this route, while the Germans downsize the engines and turbocharge them
    It's still really limited in the American market, where it's not uncommon for a commute to be an hour or longer. Americans spend *a lot* of time driving. Also, 40 miles is generous. That's on the high end of what you might get on battery power. The way that Americans drive, dividing out the 35-40-ish mpg once it switches to gas, it's really not substantially better than a particularly efficient gas or diesel car. And the charge time isn't fast enough to make up the difference. In places where people drive for shorter stretches, it may be more practical and efficient. But it's still got a way to go to be worthwhile in America. And like you said, the cost is also prohibitive.

    I suppose if your main concern isn't "green-ness" then some hybrids can be attractive options. But if you're going for green, they still aren't really competing.
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't think so. Last I checked, they were around 50mpg, easily twice an old toyota.
    Depends on which one. Some get mileage as poor as 30mpg. And you can find a diesel car that will do better than 50, which is what the best hybrids do.

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