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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Are you surprised?Most electric car brands aren't even being sold nation wide yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You actually cannot do it without promulgating rules to put it into effect. Why are Republicans trying to block it? Do you have an answer for that?
    There are rules that the GOP would likely try and block that I would disagree with. Dodd/Frank was a horrible bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Read here...



    More regulation, and onerous rules is not going to make banks free up money to lend that the economy needs....You libs have a real problem with who you think you can just push around.

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    That nobody regulated anything the banking industry did for 20 years was a problem. It was a two pronged problem though. One was in getting rid of certain rules BUT as much of a problem was that nobody enforced the rules that were on the book. The government decided to look the other way because things were temporarily going good. People who could afford to buy a house were getting houses and the economy was booming bringing in a ton of revenue.

    The government wasn't going to ruin a good thing by actually enforcing their rules. We are still NOT enforcing the rules and Dodd/Frank simply made what was wrong with what we did the last 3 years a permanent part of government.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    There are rules that the GOP would likely try and block that I would disagree with. Dodd/Frank was a horrible bill.
    Why do you think Dodd/Frank was a horrible bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    That nobody regulated anything the banking industry did for 20 years was a problem. It was a two pronged problem though. One was in getting rid of certain rules BUT as much of a problem was that nobody enforced the rules that were on the book. The government decided to look the other way because things were temporarily going good. People who could afford to buy a house were getting houses and the economy was booming bringing in a ton of revenue.

    The government wasn't going to ruin a good thing by actually enforcing their rules. We are still NOT enforcing the rules and Dodd/Frank simply made what was wrong with what we did the last 3 years a permanent part of government.
    No offense, but I don't think you really understand what went wrong here. This crisis was very much a result of deregulation and generally insufficient regulation -- not so much lack of enforcement. There were almost no rules against predatory lending or predatory borrowing. The rules allowed banks and investment banks to be way over-leveraged. There were no rules to provide effective oversight of the credit ratings firms. There were no rules providing transparency in the derivatives and swaps markets. These are all things that Dodd/Frank addresses. The problem with the bill is that it's too weak -- not that it goes too far.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Why do you think Dodd/Frank was a horrible bill?
    We see all these complaints about the big bad corporate entities but yet support of Dodd/Frank which skews things in their direction. It allows the government to come in and in some ill defined way take over in case of another collapse. The rule should be, that the government does not step in, if you fail, you fail. These big financial institutes can now continue on doing whatever it is they want and people are going to participate as opposed to step back because they know they are not under any risk of losing everything because the government would never allow that.

    Until we make it to where you know that the money you invest is gone if the vehicle you choose to invest it in fails, then people will not take the necessary steps to make sure things are on the up and up. Otherwise huge unnacceptable risks are tolerated becuse the government is going to step in if things go bad.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No offense, but I don't think you really understand what went wrong here. This crisis was very much a result of deregulation and generally insufficient regulation -- not so much lack of enforcement. There were almost no rules against predatory lending or predatory borrowing.
    Of course there was. These were presented in many cases under fraudulent means. Accepted practices like verifying income were ignored. These rules were still in place, they just were not enforced. They still aren't. There are a ton of people who participated in fraud still running things. The government has been willing to forget about it.

    The rules allowed banks and investment banks to be way over-leveraged. There were no rules to provide effective oversight of the credit ratings firms. There were no rules providing transparency in the derivatives and swaps markets. These are all things that Dodd/Frank addresses. The problem with the bill is that it's too weak -- not that it goes too far.
    Now this is a different arguement. We both agree that it's too weak. What that weakness may be might be a different thing, but yes, you agree with me that it's a bad bill because it's weak. I do not disagree with you that part of the problem was the lack of transparancy. There were many telling government regulators and those in Congress that there was a major problem brewing though and they were ignored.

    One of these people was Barney Frank. We allow the fox to fix the broken hen house?

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    We see all these complaints about the big bad corporate entities but yet support of Dodd/Frank which skews things in their direction. It allows the government to come in and in some ill defined way take over in case of another collapse. The rule should be, that the government does not step in, if you fail, you fail. These big financial institutes can now continue on doing whatever it is they want and people are going to participate as opposed to step back because they know they are not under any risk of losing everything because the government would never allow that.

    Until we make it to where you know that the money you invest is gone if the vehicle you choose to invest it in fails, then people will not take the necessary steps to make sure things are on the up and up. Otherwise huge unnacceptable risks are tolerated becuse the government is going to step in if things go bad.
    What Dodd Frank does in this respect is allow the government to seize and unwind those large corporations. That isn't supporting them, it's dismantling them in a more organized fashion so they don't crash the economy.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Of course there was. These were presented in many cases under fraudulent means. Accepted practices like verifying income were ignored. These rules were still in place, they just were not enforced. They still aren't. There are a ton of people who participated in fraud still running things. The government has been willing to forget about it.



    Now this is a different arguement. We both agree that it's too weak. What that weakness may be might be a different thing, but yes, you agree with me that it's a bad bill because it's weak. I do not disagree with you that part of the problem was the lack of transparancy. There were many telling government regulators and those in Congress that there was a major problem brewing though and they were ignored.

    One of these people was Barney Frank. We allow the fox to fix the broken hen house?
    So we agree that the bill could be stronger, but I think it is certainly better than nothing, which is the Republican alternative.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I can give you a real world example. My wife drives a Highlander Hybrid and gets about 31 mpg combined. A couple of her coworkers drive the non-hybrid Highlander and get about 20 mpg. So, about a 50% improvement over the non-hybrid.
    And in 10 years your wife will be dropping 6g's on a battery. Her coworkers will not have to.

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