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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't think so. Last I checked, they were around 50mpg, easily twice an old toyota.
    Some do,some dont


    GM has put a hybrid system in a full size SUV, it does not get 50 mpg. Infiniti has one in its M series cars and does not get 50 mpg. The do improve fuel efficiency by about 25% over comparable non hybrid versions though
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Some do,some dont


    GM has put a hybrid system in a full size SUV, it does not get 50 mpg. Infiniti has one in its M series cars and does not get 50 mpg. The do improve fuel efficiency by about 25% over comparable non hybrid versions though
    A full-size SUV getting 50 is a hell of a lot more than 25% over the average full-size SUV, which does about 20. And I'm pretty damn sure the GM full-size non-hybrid is not doing 40mpg.
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A full-size SUV getting 50 is a hell of a lot more than 25% over the average full-size SUV, which does about 20. And I'm pretty damn sure the GM full-size non-hybrid is not doing 40mpg.
    I stated the full size SuV is not getting 50 mpg did I not. It is getting about 25% better mileage then the non hybrid version. Ie 16 mpg vs 12 mpg
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    16 vs. 12, not. Most cars are like 50 vs. 30.

    One nearly doubles their mpg with a hybrid. Pretending that is nothing is ridiculous.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    16 vs. 12, not. Most cars are like 50 vs. 30.

    One nearly doubles their mpg with a hybrid. Pretending that is nothing is ridiculous.
    I can name more hybrids that get less then 30 mpg then hybrids that get over 30 mpg.

    None double their mpg
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    16 vs. 12, not. Most cars are like 50 vs. 30.

    One nearly doubles their mpg with a hybrid. Pretending that is nothing is ridiculous.
    On the high end. But there are other cars that are similarly sized that get as good of fuel economy. Some get better. And they're cheaper.

    My point isn't that hybrid cars are *bad.* My point is that they actually aren't an improvement. You can buy a car with crappy mileage, and it could be either a regular car or a hybrid. I consider 30mpg crappy. Some hybrids only get around 30mpg. Some get less than 20.

    You can buy a car with good mileage, and it could be either regular or hybrid. 50mpg is good. But it's not just hybrids that get that sort of mileage. Some regular cars get that even in similar size categories. You can find cars in the same size range with the same mileage, even if they're not hybrids. A lot of diesel cars of the same size actually do *better* than hybrids.

    Or you can buy a car with *great* mileage. You will need to compromise on size in order to do that, not buy a hybrid. There are no hybrids with *great* mileage. Mostly diesel and really small cars.

    Also, let's not forget that there are other factors to consider in evaluating a car's eco-friendliness. For example, if you buy a well-made truck with crappy mileage and just drive it until it can't be driven anymore, there's a good chance you are being more eco-friendly than if you'd bough a little Japanese car and drove that until it couldn't be driven anymore. Why? Because the truck will probably last longer. And the pollution created in production is substantial. So substantial that it may cancel out the difference in gas mileage.

    Some hybrid cars have issues like that which people don't consider when they're talking about eco-friendliness. They're costly and complex to make and create a lot of pollution in production, some people with the Pruis have reported going through tires at a high rate, and all that stuff factors into the equation.
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Not to mention the damage done to the environment to extract the lithium to produce the batteries for these hybrids. If people had a clue, hybrids would be reserved to the pages of Popular Science magazine, not actually in use.

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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Not to mention the damage done to the environment to extract the lithium to produce the batteries for these hybrids. If people had a clue, hybrids would be reserved to the pages of Popular Science magazine, not actually in use.
    Were we to cave to every little demand environmentalists made then we would still be living in caves. Sorry, but I think in this sort of situation environmentalists should politely shut the **** up. Maybe environmentalists, instead of acting only to obstruct progress, should start looking for ways to compensate for any potential environmental problems brought on by a given solution. Be a little proactive about protecting the environment, rather than just stopping anything and everything they think might be even a slight problem for the environment.
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    On the high end. But there are other cars that are similarly sized that get as good of fuel economy. Some get better. And they're cheaper.
    It depends what kind of car you're comparing.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    My point isn't that hybrid cars are *bad.* My point is that they actually aren't an improvement. You can buy a car with crappy mileage, and it could be either a regular car or a hybrid. I consider 30mpg crappy. Some hybrids only get around 30mpg. Some get less than 20.
    To my knowledge there are no hybrids that are not SUVs which get this kind of mileage, although, admittedly, hybrid SUVs have better fuel economy than their non-hybrid counterparts. I drive a Prius, and I'm presently getting around 50 MPGs. My mother has an Insight, she regularly gets about 60 MPGs.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Some hybrid cars have issues like that which people don't consider when they're talking about eco-friendliness. They're costly and complex to make and create a lot of pollution in production, some people with the Pruis have reported going through tires at a high rate, and all that stuff factors into the equation.
    I got my Prius used, and I had to replace the front tires, the ones that came with the car, after about three years. I haven't noticed any unusual degree of wear and tear.

    It really can't be beat. I'm driving a fairly roomy four-door sedan, getting around 50 MPGs, and I think I bought if for five grand or less. With the money I'm saving on gas, the car is actually paying for itself. My only complaint is with the design. I like boxy cars.
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    Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers

    I can give you a real world example. My wife drives a Highlander Hybrid and gets about 31 mpg combined. A couple of her coworkers drive the non-hybrid Highlander and get about 20 mpg. So, about a 50% improvement over the non-hybrid.

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