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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't think you understand. I don't care about his argument or your rebuttal. I also haven't defended him. I have to admit though, I didn't think my <10 words about you would evoke such a sensitive response from you. You one up yourself every time. Are you almost at the point where you freak out and call me stupid like you do to everyone in every other thread?
    Its funny you think that was a 'sensitive' response. If I called you 'stupid' in a thread is it because you insist on making stupid comments? Frankly, nothing about our exchanges in the past have ever struck home enough for me to bother remembering them. And I promise...I dont care enough about you to look it up. But feel free to refresh my memory.

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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its funny you think that was a 'sensitive' response. If I called you 'stupid' in a thread is it because you insist on making stupid comments? Frankly, nothing about our exchanges in the past have ever struck home enough for me to bother remembering them. And I promise...I dont care enough about you to look it up. But feel free to refresh my memory.
    You're sensitive because you insist on talking about <10 words that I didn't even put much thought into writing. I can now add "delusions of grandeur" to the list of your defining characteristics.

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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You're sensitive because you insist on talking about <10 words that I didn't even put much thought into writing. I can now add "delusions of grandeur" to the list of your defining characteristics.
    And yet you persist...so again...why you hatin' son?

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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And yet you persist...so again...why you hatin' son?
    I don't remember "hatin'" on anyone. That was your sensitive perception.

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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't remember "hatin'" on anyone. That was your sensitive perception.
    Or your lack of a sense of humor.

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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Or your lack of a sense of humor.
    Actually, my sense of humor led me to post the initial comment. It was your sensitive lack of humor that led you to do more than laugh at it and move on - hence why I call you sensitive.

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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't know the circumstances of her case, but are you saying that because one person wasn't a spy that it conclusively disproves that other people could be spies?

    I'm not saying that these "hikers" definitely are spies...I have no idea. But it hardly seems out of the realm of possibility that the US would be spying on Iran, and that those spies might occasionally get caught.
    I'm sure we have spies in Tehran. Here's the problem... I don't think the CIA operates via a few people hiking near the border in a meaningless place. Do you think they were conducting a land survey? Do you think the CIA can't provide passports and visas? What, they were on the run? Please, for one minute, think about this. HTF do three (or more?) CIA agents end up in hiking gear along a meaningless border together. Was it a secret meeting? Like the CIA would not have picked them up or otherwise provided intel to avoid capture if they were on the run? You think they would stick together? Why was the female released? Do you forget that we have satellites or do you read too much Clancy.


    Seriously, 3 agents together in the middle of nowhere and the female gets released? In what world does that make sense.
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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm sure we have spies in Tehran. Here's the problem... I don't think the CIA operates via a few people hiking near the border in a meaningless place. Do you think they were conducting a land survey?
    I have no idea what they were doing. Iran has lots of, shall we say, interesting facilities in "meaningless places." Far better to build a nuclear reactor in the side of a mountain than in downtown Tehran. In fact, I would hazard a guess that worldwide, the CIA has as many spies in places you deem meaningless as it does in major cities.

    Do you think the CIA can't provide passports and visas? What, they were on the run?
    You're saying the fact that they didn't have proper documentation proves their innocence?

    Please, for one minute, think about this. HTF do three (or more?) CIA agents end up in hiking gear along a meaningless border together.
    Maybe they had to hike somewhere.

    Was it a secret meeting? Like the CIA would not have picked them up or otherwise provided intel to avoid capture if they were on the run? You think they would stick together?
    Depends on what they were doing and why.

    Why was the female released?
    Because doing so is viewed as a sign of mercy. And if you suspect some other motive, spell it out. Why would the female have been released if they WEREN'T spies and Iran wanted to pretend they were?

    Do you forget that we have satellites or do you read too much Clancy.
    Never read anything by Clancy. As for satellites, what do you imagine that satellites can do to prevent them from being captured? The US is not omnipotent. Spies occasionally get caught.

    Seriously, 3 agents together in the middle of nowhere and the female gets released? In what world does that make sense.
    Ask yourself the same question about the innocent-hikers-on-the-border-of-Iran-and-Iraq explanation. The spy theory sounds at least as plausible to me. But then, I'm not the one who is blustering and swearing up and down that it's correct. If you're so sure that the hiker story is correct, let's see something a bit more than "they were hiking in some meaningless area (at least, meaningless to me)" before you start hurling insults.
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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you're so sure that the hiker story is correct, let's see something a bit more than "they were hiking in some meaningless area (at least, meaningless to me)" before you start hurling insults.
    One is considered innocent unless/until the prosecution proves its case. Since you seem to embrace the Iranian prosecution position, the onus here is thus on you to advance the Iranian case with bona-fide instruments of evidence. So far, you have not provided even a smidgen of such.

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    Re: American hikers get sentenced to 8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    One is considered innocent unless/until the prosecution proves its case. Since you seem to embrace the Iranian prosecution position, the onus here is thus on you to advance the Iranian case with bona-fide instruments of evidence. So far, you have not provided even a smidgen of such.
    That is nothing but a cop out. There are some facts that people seem to ignore.

    1) They were in Iraq hiking... a war torn almost lawless country... not exactly a tourist haven. Or is it normal for American's to go to war torn countries as tourists? How many American's are going to Somalia these days? Or Syria, or Libya?

    2) They were hiking near or over the Iranian border... like it or not that in it self is beyond stupid. There are far safer places to hike in Iraq, so why near the Iranian border? Are they not aware of the issues between the US and Iran? Dont they have basic GPS to make sure they dont go any where near the border?

    And lets not forget the biggest stupidity... 3 American's hiking in a country and part of the world that HATE American's guts...... seriously how stupid can you be?

    So again.. either they are the most stupid people on the planet, or they are spies. Either way, they seriously ****ed up and should frankly be bitch slapped for that alone.

    As for "proving" and "not guilty until proven guilty"... we are not in the US or Europe.. the rest of the world rarely uses those rules especially when sworn enemies of the state are involved.. and like it or not American's are persona non grata in Iran. Add to the fact the serious issues with why the hell they were there in the first place, and I would tend from off the bat to believe they were spies for the US in some sort of way.. unless they were brain dead idiots with no sense of reality or awareness.
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