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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I don't believe there was a time in history that the phrase "he is uncivilized" implied "he is black" according to the general population.
    People talked about slavery as a process of "civilizing" blacks for example. The notion that black people are not civilized is absolutely dead center of the worst racial slurs and attacks on black people in history.

    The whole thing where people say "well if he was white/black instead of black/white you wouldn't think it was racist, therefore it isn't racist" rarely works. White people and black people are in different situations, the historical contexts are different, the implications of things are different, the effects are different, etc.

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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    People talked about slavery as a process of "civilizing" blacks for example. The notion that black people are not civilized is absolutely dead center of the worst racial slurs and attacks on black people in history.

    The whole thing where people say "well if he was white/black instead of black/white you wouldn't think it was racist, therefore it isn't racist" rarely works. White people and black people are in different situations, the historical contexts are different, the implications of things are different, the effects are different, etc.
    I stand corrected, but people need to get with modern times. It has gotten to the point that I apply the moral of The Boy Who Cried Wolf to the cry of racism.
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    It sounds like you are confusing the meaning of the terms "insult" and "offend". Someone could insult me by saying "you suck at math," but I will clearly not be offended because I know they are wrong. Even if an entire class of people are offended by a statement, that does not logically imply that the statement was discriminatory towards that class.
    It sounds like you have zero reading comprehension. Whether or not the add meant to insult/offend(which by the way are synonyms) is irrelevant. That's what ended up happening. By trying to make the case that long hair itself was civilized, the brand made it look as if afros were uncivilized. Bad market research. Weak execution. Unintended racist comment. End of discussion.
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    For me the offense is beyond whether this is about race or long hair, it's a company trying to educate and dictate to the public what is "civilized" in order to pitch their product.

    This is the perfect example of how big companies with influence are changing social beliefs and behaviors. It's so prevalent yet unnoticed that people don't even see it happening. I'm having a debate in another thread about same-sex marriage and its impacts on society. I think business marketing has had a WAY bigger impact on society's values than anything else.

    And last time we used the word "civilized" in a widely social manner, was to describe lesser peoples than ourselves in the good old colonial era. I think this is one term that we could live without resurrecting!
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Well - no such thing as bad PR. I've never paid attention to the hygene products that Nivea produces until this very moment. IN fact, I don't recall ever noticing a Nivea advertisement - until now.

    Amazing how that works, hunh? They plunge a huge budget into marketing a product yet get extensive free and wide-audienced notice by creating one that is 'pulled' because it's 'offensive'

    Per hair and so on: yes - dreads, tossed and other natural or uncombed 'looks' really do suggest you don't give a **** about your appearance - and in the real world appearances do matter which is why almost every place of employment has some type of code-of-appearance standards they expect people to abide by.

    I'd love to never have to wash laundry a day in my life, again, or take time to keep my lovely locks somewhat presentable but that just would make me look like a disgusting scum - bringing into question everything else about my mode of existance.

    If it was a white dude with a caveman head in his hand no one would give a ****.
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I stand corrected, but people need to get with modern times. It has gotten to the point that I apply the moral of The Boy Who Cried Wolf to the cry of racism.
    Instead of applying racism to this topic, you should instead consider the fact that it offended people... Simply offending a large group of minorities is not the same as racism, and you're in no place to tell others they shouldn't be offended and are pulling the race card. This was bound to end up offending somebody, so I think you're the one crying wolf. And you were, btw, the first person to even bring up racism within this context of in this thread.
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It sounds like you have zero reading comprehension. Whether or not the add meant to insult/offend(which by the way are synonyms) is irrelevant. That's what ended up happening. By trying to make the case that long hair itself was civilized, the brand made it look as if afros were uncivilized. Bad market research. Weak execution. Unintended racist comment. End of discussion.
    I guess the 60s and was70s were very uncivil decades... thank god I wasn't alive then. I managed to be born in the decade of MC Hammer pants, pointy Madonna bras, cut off tees, and aqua net. Man, that was a close call. I am glad the 80s were civil.

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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Instead of applying racism to this topic, you should instead consider the fact that it offended people... Simply offending a large group of minorities is not the same as racism, and you're in no place to tell others they shouldn't be offended and are pulling the race card. This was bound to end up offending somebody, so I think you're the one crying wolf. And you were, btw, the first person to even bring up racism within this context of in this thread.
    Who gives a **** that I was the first to mention that people are crying racism? Look at the news articles and you'll see where I heard it from. I'm trying to make the same point as your first sentence. That is, it's ok to cry foul but quit this false cry of racism bull crap!
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Who gives a **** that I was the first to mention that people are crying racism? Look at the news articles and you'll see where I heard it from. I'm trying to make the same point as your first sentence. That is, it's ok to cry foul but quit this false cry of racism bull crap!
    I did look at the news article and it didn't even use the word racist. The ad involved a certain racial minority being offended, and then it turned into a discussion about the race card or something. The only racist tone in the ad is that it used the word "civilized" and if some people find that racist, then they just so happen to find it racist. You simply seem to be offended by people finding it racist, and I find that amusing.

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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

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    I did not say this; mullet is merely a term implying long hair.
    no,it's not. see:Joe Dirt
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