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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Who says they want to look "civilized" anyway? Using a term like that to describe a stereotypical appearance and degrade another is bound to end up offending people. Tattoos, piercings, afros, etc. do not make a person uncivilized. My sister has piercings and wants tattoos, and she is going to law school. I just had this conversation with somebody who considers people with tattoos freaks and losers...

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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

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    So a mullet is uncivilized?
    I did not say this; mullet is merely a term implying long hair.
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Who says they want to look "civilized" anyway? Using a term like that to describe a stereotypical appearance and degrade another is bound to end up offending people. Tattoos, piercings, afros, etc. do not make a person uncivilized. My sister has piercings and wants tattoos, and she is going to law school. I just had this conversation with somebody who considers people with tattoos freaks and losers...

    I read about a woman who was a lawyer and had basically a full-body tattoo apart from her head, hands, and feet, and another who worked an office job, and wore professional concealing make-up every single day to hide her face tattoos. People who believe that people with non-typical aesthetics, voluntary or otherwise, are somehow inferior or freaks need to get out out more. It's nothing but xenophobia.

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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I read about a woman who was a lawyer and had basically a full-body tattoo apart from her head, hands, and feet, and another who worked an office job, and wore professional concealing make-up every single day to hide her face tattoos. People who believe that people with non-typical aesthetics, voluntary or otherwise, are somehow inferior or freaks need to get out out more. It's nothing but xenophobia.
    The other thing is afros are more natural than relaxed or straightened hair.... I knew somebody that got chemical burns on her scalp from a relaxer. Is burning your scalp to attain a certain appearance acting civilized? Is that more civilized or less civilized than putting a plate in your lip to attain a different culture's approved appearance? IDK... it's kind of weird no matter which way you look at it. Telling somebody their appearance is not civilized is just offensive though, and that should be common sense.

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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    You make my point that this ad insults hairstyle and NOT race.
    You can try and insult something, an end up insulting something else. For example, Letterman tried to insult Palin's daughter with a bastard child. He ended up insulting the little retarded daughter who never says anything. When your goal is to insult, you're bound to make mistakes and end up saying something you didn't mean.
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You can try and insult something, an end up insulting something else. For example, Letterman tried to insult Palin's daughter with a bastard child. He ended up insulting the little retarded daughter who never says anything. When your goal is to insult, you're bound to make mistakes and end up saying something you didn't mean.
    It sounds like you are confusing the meaning of the terms "insult" and "offend". Someone could insult me by saying "you suck at math," but I will clearly not be offended because I know they are wrong. Even if an entire class of people are offended by a statement, that does not logically imply that the statement was discriminatory towards that class.
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    This is another case of the abuse of the term "racism" these days. Do you honestly think that word would come up if the ad was a white man preparing to toss a white head with a mullet?
    No, why would that be racist? Uncivilized hasn't historically been a slur used against white people, so it wouldn't carry any racist meaning.

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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, why would that be racist? Uncivilized hasn't historically been a slur used against white people, so it wouldn't carry any racist meaning.
    I don't believe there was a time in history that the phrase "he is uncivilized" implied "he is black" according to the general population.

    Personally, I think it's ridiculous that people get offended over something like this. Is it wise advertisement? Clearly, it isn't.
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    Re: Nivea pulls ‘offensive’ ad

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I don't believe there was a time in history that the phrase "he is uncivilized" implied "he is black" according to the general population.

    Personally, I think it's ridiculous that people get offended over something like this. Is it wise advertisement? Clearly, it isn't.
    Europeans used the term uncivilized to describe the Native Americans and people they encountered in Africa. The Mormon religion kind of took that further in describing the Native Americans... it's kind of common knowledge.

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