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    White House Faces Political Dilemma on Health Law Challenge

    White House Faces Political Dilemma on Health Law Challenge

    Many political analysts think the White House will try to delay Supreme Court consideration as long as possible.

    "They definitely don't want to see it go to the Supreme Court until after the elections,” said Kirsten Powers, a former Democratic operative and a Fox News analyst. “So my expectation is they would do whatever they can to slow walk this so that this does not get to the Supreme Court where possibly the individual mandate could be struck down which would be very damaging for the administration."

    There is no doubt the health care law is headed for the Supreme Court -- the only question is when. The recent decision by a panel of judges from the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta is only the broadest challenge to the law, brought by 26 states and the nation’s largest association of small business owners. But there are multiple, conflicting appellate court rulings and huge stakes for the case.
    Not sure what the white house can do to prevent SCOTUS from hearing and deciding this issue before the election but it comes as no surprise that they won’t want this to be decided before the election because the individual mandate is going to be struck down as unconstitutional.

    Obama had to know that his resistance to an early referral to SCOTUS would put the case on their doorstep during the last year of his current term didn’t he? Is he really so amateurish on constitutional law, or has he planned for this all along?

    He probably won’t be re-elected due to the dismal economy and unemployment rates but there will be no way he can survive SCOTUS overturning Obamacare 6 months before the election.
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    Re: White House Faces Political Dilemma on Health Law Challenge

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    Not sure what the white house can do to prevent SCOTUS from hearing and deciding this issue before the election but it comes as no surprise that they won’t want this to be decided before the election because the individual mandate is going to be struck down as unconstitutional.

    Obama had to know that his resistance to an early referral to SCOTUS would put the case on their doorstep during the last year of his current term didn’t he? Is he really so amateurish on constitutional law, or has he planned for this all along?

    He probably won’t be re-elected due to the dismal economy and unemployment rates but there will be no way he can survive SCOTUS overturning Obamacare 6 months before the election.
    I can envision him saying, "Okay, folks. Time to reset. We made a few hasty decisions back there in our zeal to protect the American public, but now we know what we need to do. And we can only do it if you re-elect me."

    Might even help him. Libs always reward intentions before results.

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    Re: White House Faces Political Dilemma on Health Law Challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I can envision him saying, "Okay, folks. Time to reset. We made a few hasty decisions back there in our zeal to protect the American public, but now we know what we need to do. And we can only do it if you re-elect me."

    Might even help him. Libs always reward intentions before results.
    If it weren’t for the other detrimental factors he is going to have to address in this campaign, I might agree. The only real achievement of his administration is about to be yanked out from under him by SCOTUS 6 months before the election.

    Maybe it will tick off the liberals and they will react like a bees nest that has been poked with a stick but the Obama shine has worn off and everyone now knows that he really wasn’t prepared to become President of the United States.

    I just don’t see any way he can possibly win if this is decided before the election. I expect some bizarre actions out of the White House in the near future, attempting to slow things down and prevent a ruling on this issue before the election.

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    Re: White House Faces Political Dilemma on Health Law Challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I can envision him saying, "Okay, folks. Time to reset. We made a few hasty decisions back there in our zeal to protect the American public, but now we know what we need to do. And we can only do it if you re-elect me."

    Might even help him. Libs always reward intentions before results.
    Maxine waters is even criticizing him now. The thrill is gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Maxine waters is even criticizing him now. The thrill is gone.
    I know what you mean, but I think she critcized his constituency more than him. It's like she was asking permission to speak her mind. Chicken****. I can't credit her, or respect her, for being critical of him. If she has something to say, she needs to say it.

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    Re: White House Faces Political Dilemma on Health Law Challenge

    It won't necessarily go to the Supreme Court. The administration could seek an en banc review from the 11th Cir. (i.e., the three-judge panel's decision would be reviewed by the entire Court). If the 11th Cir. reversed the panel's decision there would be no split in the circuits, since the law has been upheld by the 4th Cir., and there would be no SC jurisdiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It won't necessarily go to the Supreme Court. The administration could seek an en banc review from the 11th Cir. (i.e., the three-judge panel's decision would be reviewed by the entire Court). If the 11th Cir. reversed the panel's decision there would be no split in the circuits, since the law has been upheld by the 4th Cir., and there would be no SC jurisdiction.
    That won’t happen if the states petition SCOTUS to resolve this issue, which they will, and SCOTUS accepts it, which it will.

    I don’t see how Obama can do anything to delay this but he could speed it up and get it out of the way sooner rather than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    That won’t happen if the states petition SCOTUS to resolve this issue, which they will, and SCOTUS accepts it, which it will.

    I don’t see how Obama can do anything to delay this but he could speed it up and get it out of the way sooner rather than later.
    Generally the Supreme Court will NOT grant review unless there is disagreement in the lower circuits. FYI.

    But I agree that it probably will end up before the SC as it's not clear that the administration will seek en banc review at the 11th Cir., and even then it may not be granted, and the chances of en banc reversal are pretty low.

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    Re: White House Faces Political Dilemma on Health Law Challenge

    What needs to happen is for a counter proposal that makes logical sense and addresses the true issues that cause costs to be to high for many Americans to have coverage.

    I would start as I have said before with tort reform and limit the amount of compensation to a reasonable amount as well as the penalties.

    I would also address the insurancs companies and allow them all to cross State lines an insure anyone anywhere.

    Doctors are sometimes forced to conduct tests that they know are not needed to cover their butts and that needs to stop. I have had these tests as I have need hospitalized about 10 times in the last 4 years with a bad heart,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    What needs to happen is for a counter proposal that makes logical sense and addresses the true issues that cause costs to be to high for many Americans to have coverage.

    I would start as I have said before with tort reform and limit the amount of compensation to a reasonable amount as well as the penalties.

    I would also address the insurancs companies and allow them all to cross State lines an insure anyone anywhere.

    Doctors are sometimes forced to conduct tests that they know are not needed to cover their butts and that needs to stop. I have had these tests as I have need hospitalized about 10 times in the last 4 years with a bad heart,
    The insurance mandate was a counter proposal. Proposed by Republicans.
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