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    New DHS rules cancel deportations

    The Homeland Security Department said Thursday it will halt deportation proceedings on a case-by-case basis against illegal immigrants who meet certain criteria such as attending school, having family in the military or are primarily responsible for other family members’ care.The move, announced in letters to Congress, won immediate praise from Hispanic activists and Democrats who had chided President Obama for months for the pace of deportations and had argued he had authority to exempt broad swaths of illegal immigrants from deportation.“Today’s announcement shows that this president is willing to put muscle behind his words and to use his power to intervene when the lives of good people are being ruined by bad laws,” said Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez, Illinois Democrat.
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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quick answer, no.
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    Immigration courts are way over capacity as is. It currently takes 18 months for somebody who is detained to get deported and that window is just getting longer. Detaining more people doesn't mean more people get deported, it just means they are in detention centers for longer at our expense. So, definitely prioritizing in on the highest priority people makes sense. Does anybody actually disagree with that?

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    This is how Obama can circumvent the law without a fight over Amnesty in the House.

    This is all about the Mexican vote, and I figure the illegal vote because in California you can register your dead dog and and ask to vote but mail and every election you can vote for Fido and no one will ever check to see if Fido is even real or not.

    I have been waiting for Obama to pull an end around for votes.

    This is so much BS.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Immigration courts are way over capacity as is. It currently takes 18 months for somebody who is detained to get deported and that window is just getting longer. Detaining more people doesn't mean more people get deported, it just means they are in detention centers for longer at our expense. So, definitely prioritizing in on the highest priority people makes sense. Does anybody actually disagree with that?
    The solution is simple, actually - give the detained illegal alien a choice, they can sit in jail and wait 18 months for their hearing or they can be released and deported immediately. Their choice.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The solution is simple, actually - give the detained illegal alien a choice, they can sit in jail and wait 18 months for their hearing or they can be released and deported immediately. Their choice.
    That is how it works. Still there is a massive backlog.

    Some people assume that the way it works with immigration trials is that somehow the court magically knows whether they are citizens or not. That isn't the case at all. Immigration courts like any other kind of court are bound by the constitution to presume innocence unless somebody can be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If somebody contends that they were in fact born on US soil in a barn and there was no record made, the government needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that that is not the case. If somebody claims that they were born in Mexico, but that his father was a US citizen, then the government needs to disprove that beyond a reasonable doubt. Or there are a lot of affirmative defenses the defendant can raise. For example, they can argue that they were the victim of domestic violence perpetrated by a citizen or legal permenant resident. For affirmative defenses the burden of proof is on the defendant, but still they often are not open and shut cases. On top of that you have lots of people who were just caught up by a technicality. For example, they had a student visa and forgot to submit a form in time, or an employer paid visa where their employer forgot to send in the payment until after the deadline or sent in a business check when DHS wanted a cashier's check or something. A judge usually won't rip somebody away from their entire life because of something like that. So, for all those reasons, many of the people in detention believe they will be vindicated by a trial.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    At some point in time the American Citizenry is going to have to step up and start doing the job the LEO's and Government are not willing or capable of doing in terms of enforcing the Laws of our land.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    At some point in time the American Citizenry is going to have to step up and start doing the job the LEO's and Government are not willing or capable of doing in terms of enforcing the Laws of our land.
    I think you mean to say that at some point racist vigilantes will start attacking people based on their ethnicity until they are put down by the FBI... But, we've already crossed that line. The so called minutemen, for example, were posting armed goons at polling places trying to prevent hispanics from voting. That american nazi party aligned organization supposedly sent snipers to the border. Etc.
    Last edited by teamosil; 08-19-11 at 11:32 AM.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I think you mean to say that at some point racist vigilantes will start attacking people based on their ethnicity until they are put down by the FBI... But, we've already crossed that line. The so called minutemen, for example, were posting armed goons at polling places trying to prevent hispanics from voting. That american nazi party aligned organization supposedly sent snipers to the border. Etc.
    I'm not just talking about Immigration issues, teamosil. I'm talking about the Rule of Law in general.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm not just talking about Immigration issues, teamosil. I'm talking about the Rule of Law in general.
    The law is being enforced on immigration. The law is that ICE has discretion about who to detain. The law specifies what rights defendants have in immigration courts and sets a budget for those courts. The law specifies that some cities are sanctuary cities. The law sets the budget for border patrol. It sounds like you want to change the law, not like you want to enforce the law as written, right?

    If there are other situations where you believe the law isn't being followed, we can certainly discuss those too, but I have a suspicion that it will play out the same way- they will be situations where what the US is doing is different from your vague sense of what they ought to be doing, not actual laws.

    But, regardless, the notion that bands of vigilantes taking the law into their own hands would somehow be a victory for the rule of law just don't make any sense at all. That sounds more like anarchy.
    Last edited by teamosil; 08-19-11 at 11:46 AM.

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