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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Why? 1 person voting who shouldn't be allowed to skews the results exactly as much as 1 person who should be allowed to vote that isn't. That sounds like an emotional rather than a logical position.
    The back half of that paragraph should have explained it pretty well.... I tend to believe that the vast majority of American Citizens don't deserve the Right to Vote, nevermind those who are not supposed to be voting in the first place.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The back half of that paragraph should have explained it pretty well.... I tend to believe that the vast majority of American Citizens don't deserve the Right to Vote, nevermind those who are not supposed to be voting in the first place.
    Are you assuming that somehow the people illegally prevented from voting would happen to be people who you believe don't deserve to vote? Why?

    Regardless, the notion that you, who proposed genocide just a few minutes ago, are the person who should be deciding who gets to vote and who doesn't just doesn't fly with me.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Are you assuming that somehow the people illegally prevented from voting would happen to be people who you believe don't deserve to vote? Why?
    They are often the same people, but you need to understand what the criteria I believe are missing in most American voters to understand why.... I am a believer in the idea of an "Informed and Educated" electorate as the best group to determine the course of this nation. We don't have that anymore. We now allow any resident over the age of 17 to vote, regardless of their knowledge of the system, how it is supposed to work, and/or the candidates and issues that they're voting on. MOST of these individuals are neither Informed nor Educated on the issues of the day, nevermind BOTH. To that end I have proposed a Poll Exam (multiple choice) that should be required of every voter prior to voting in each election. Failure to get an 80% grade on the exam would exclude the individual from voting. Three straight failures would exclude them from ever voting again. Obviously the Constitution would have to be amended for this to be done, but I believe it's what we need.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    They are often the same people, but you need to understand what the criteria I believe are missing in most American voters to understand why.... I am a believer in the idea of an "Informed and Educated" electorate as the best group to determine the course of this nation. We don't have that anymore. We now allow any resident over the age of 17 to vote, regardless of their knowledge of the system, how it is supposed to work, and/or the candidates and issues that they're voting on. MOST of these individuals are neither Informed nor Educated on the issues of the day, nevermind BOTH. To that end I have proposed a Poll Exam (multiple choice) that should be required of every voter prior to voting in each election. Failure to get an 80% grade on the exam would exclude the individual from voting. Three straight failures would exclude them from ever voting again. Obviously the Constitution would have to be amended for this to be done, but I believe it's what we need.
    So what does that have to do with vigilante groups trying to prevent people from voting on the basis of their race?

    As for merit-based voting rights, you probably don't actually want to go down that road. Almost 2/3 of people with graduate degrees describe themselves as liberal.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    I was just wondering how many laws can Obama ignore before someone has the guts to call calls him on it.

    Everyone seems to be afraid out of gear of being called a racist. Will screw that they are allowing him to become a Dictator without a word of protest.

    Had Republicans not take control of the House every day would be a BOHICA day as we saw on the, "Wait until we pass it then you can see what's in it," we saw with Obamney Care.

    I'm getting tied of this crap, and I don't have much representation for me to bitch to. My Representative is Jerry Lewis (not the comic) and he's okay but no one outside of this district ever heard of him. I know Jerry and he's a good guy but he doesn't have much pull. Other than him I get the Feinstein & Boxer neither one is worth a damn.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So what does that have to do with vigilante groups trying to prevent people from voting on the basis of their race?
    I would suggest that most of the members of those minority groups (who generally vote Liberal) wouldn't get more than a 30% grade on that exam. Therefore, they are people who I don't believe should be voting in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    As for merit-based voting rights, you probably don't actually want to go down that road. Almost 2/3 of people with graduate degrees describe themselves as liberal.
    I'd be willing to bet that at least half of them would fail the exam.
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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Immigration courts are way over capacity as is. It currently takes 18 months for somebody who is detained to get deported and that window is just getting longer. Detaining more people doesn't mean more people get deported, it just means they are in detention centers for longer at our expense. So, definitely prioritizing in on the highest priority people makes sense. Does anybody actually disagree with that?
    Let them stay in jail until they are deported.It will be an incentive to not come here illegally if they have to rot in jail for a year before being deported.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Let them stay in jail until they are deported.It will be an incentive to not come here illegally if they have to rot in jail for a year before being deported.
    It is also extremely expensive.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I would suggest that most of the members of those minority groups (who generally vote Liberal) wouldn't get more than a 30% grade on that exam. Therefore, they are people who I don't believe should be voting in the first place.

    I'd be willing to bet that at least half of them would fail the exam.
    Ok, so you're just going for the straight up white supremacist angle. Well, I don't think most Americans would agree with your morals and I do think most Americans are less ignorant than that, so your views aren't really very relevant.

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    Re: New DHS rules cancel deportations

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Ok, so you're just going for the straight up white supremacist angle. Well, I don't think most Americans would agree with your morals and I do think most Americans are less ignorant than that, so your views aren't really very relevant.
    Not at all. I'm just saying that most of these minority groups do not do what my ancestors did when they got here anywhere from 101 to several hundred years ago; which is to learn how things are done HERE. Too many of these people think they should be allowed to reap the benefits of being here in the United States without ever learning what the US is supposed to be about. Regardless of where they're from originally.

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