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Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

They're going to move the pipeline out of the U.S.? They better have a lot of pipe!

Who said they were going to move a pipeline out of the US? Is that what's being claimed now?

Are you aware that many companies are moving out of the US and do you understand some of the reasons why?
 
And his opinion is the same as the 97% consensus of Climate scientists ~

"A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures."

"Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.

About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

In analyzing responses by sub-groups, Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role. Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement. Doran compared their responses to a recent poll showing only 58 percent of the public thinks human activity contributes to global warming."
Scientists Agree Human-induced Global Warming Is Real, Survey Says

If "A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures," what exactly is that "significant contributing factor" from human activity?

That's the entire point.

The earth's climate has been changing for millions of years, back and forth to varying degrees, and has changed, according to the people you cite, for "200-plus years". It is the amount of 'human activity factor' that remains the rub.
 
Who said they were going to move a pipeline out of the US? Is that what's being claimed now?

Are you aware that many companies are moving out of the US and do you understand some of the reasons why?

That's what the protest was about -- a pipeline running across the country. Sort of like the one that blew out under the Yellowstone River a month or so ago.

If companies are moving out of the country because we won't let them be irresponsible, then good riddance.
 
That's what the protest was about -- a pipeline running across the country. Sort of like the one that blew out under the Yellowstone River a month or so ago.

If companies are moving out of the country because we won't let them be irresponsible, then good riddance.

Actually companies are moving out of the United States for a variety of reasons, but largely because it has become an anti business nation.

There is absolutely no evidence that KeystoneXL is an irresponsible company. Quite the contrary in fact. But these people the Huffington Post apparently supports are protesting it anyway. It is a terribly sad thing to watch, and potentially very dangerous.

But we Canadians don't mind. We're sending down millions of barrels of oil and can refine it up here as well. It will just cost Americans more and make more money for us. And when you can no longer afford it, we're sure China can. Those interest payments on your debt to them alone should cover their energy costs.

Keystone Pipeline Project
 
Could be -- I don't know anything about Keystone or the pipeline project. OTOH, just weeks before the Exxon pipeline blew out under Yellowstone they assured us that it was completely safe!
 
Actually companies are moving out of the United States for a variety of reasons, but largely because it has become an anti business nation.

There is absolutely no evidence that KeystoneXL is an irresponsible company. Quite the contrary in fact. But these people the Huffington Post apparently supports are protesting it anyway. It is a terribly sad thing to watch, and potentially very dangerous.

But we Canadians don't mind. We're sending down millions of barrels of oil and can refine it up here as well. It will just cost Americans more and make more money for us. And when you can no longer afford it, we're sure China can. Those interest payments on your debt to them alone should cover their energy costs.

Keystone Pipeline Project

Getting back on topic, do you think global warming is going to improve the business climate?
 
Could be -- I don't know anything about Keystone or the pipeline project. OTOH, just weeks before the Exxon pipeline blew out under Yellowstone they assured us that it was completely safe!

Then continue to stop pipelines, stop building dams, stop nuclear plants, and stop drilling for oil. You're stopping it all and then wonder why your prices go up and availability goes down, and all the while protesting that businesses are moving overseas. Meanwhile you mire yourselves in unsustainable debt.

Do you see a healthy future in any of this?
 
Actually companies are moving out of the United States for a variety of reasons, but largely because it has become an anti business nation.

There is absolutely no evidence that KeystoneXL is an irresponsible company. Quite the contrary in fact. But these people the Huffington Post apparently supports are protesting it anyway. It is a terribly sad thing to watch, and potentially very dangerous.

But we Canadians don't mind. We're sending down millions of barrels of oil and can refine it up here as well. It will just cost Americans more and make more money for us. And when you can no longer afford it, we're sure China can. Those interest payments on your debt to them alone should cover their energy costs.

Keystone Pipeline Project

In another thread I linked to evidence on how many liberals are unscientific in their thinking and when we compare extreme liberals to extreme conservatives, the irrationality increases for liberals compared to the liberal mean. In other thread I linked to a study which showed that liberals, as a group, are more economically illiterate than moderates and conservatives.

Mix anti-science and economic ignorance together and what you get is what you're describing.

Good for Canada that it is developing its resources. Bad for the US that we have such vocal anti-science leftists who are blocking progress and working to increase the national security risk of the US.
 
In another thread I linked to evidence on how many liberals are unscientific in their thinking and when we compare extreme liberals to extreme conservatives, the irrationality increases for liberals compared to the liberal mean. In other thread I linked to a study which showed that liberals, as a group, are more economically illiterate than moderates and conservatives.

Mix anti-science and economic ignorance together and what you get is what you're describing.

Good for Canada that it is developing its resources. Bad for the US that we have such vocal anti-science leftists who are blocking progress and working to increase the national security risk of the US.

You know for someone who claims to be a libertarian, you certainly have more then a chip on your shoulder about liberals, and a raging hard on for far right conservative rhetoric.
 
In another thread I linked to evidence on how many liberals are unscientific in their thinking and when we compare extreme liberals to extreme conservatives, the irrationality increases for liberals compared to the liberal mean. In other thread I linked to a study which showed that liberals, as a group, are more economically illiterate than moderates and conservatives.

Mix anti-science and economic ignorance together and what you get is what you're describing.

Good for Canada that it is developing its resources. Bad for the US that we have such vocal anti-science leftists who are blocking progress and working to increase the national security risk of the US.

Good for Canada, yes, but I want it good for Canada and the United States as well. We'll both do a lot better in the long haul. We've worked together before and prospered as a result, and I see no real reason why this couldn't continue.

Canada went through something like this in the mid-90's but although our Leftists naturally complained we also were lucky enough to have a couple of governments who saw the light and managed to turn it around. The same thing can happen in the States if the will is there.

But if people insist on stopping pipelines because of an accident, or a dam because a worker was killed, or logging because of a birds nest, then we will see continued decline, and it will increase more rapidly once it really gets rolling and companies, as well as the best and brightest, start to flee.
 
You know for someone who claims to be a libertarian, you certainly have more then a chip on your shoulder about liberals, and a raging hard on for far right conservative rhetoric.

Why not get involved in the debate rather than submitting needless assessments of other posters. Have you anything of substance to say?
 
The Left, being gullible as they are, will swallow that stuff whole.

which is why it was on Fox news, I guess.

Not sure just who said they were grad students. It was in one of the links already posted. The point is, they aren't NASA scientists.
 
Do you mean before we get caught up in another war for the remaining reserves?

i would hate to see that happen. i hope that we can innovate and avoid it. plus, it's possible that the technology is something we could export. easily producible energy would go a long way towards aiding peace globally. also new food technology to improve harvests, especially in places where crops don't grow very well.
 
which is why it was on Fox news, I guess.

Not sure just who said they were grad students. It was in one of the links already posted. The point is, they aren't NASA scientists.

So, without checking, you swallowed it whole.
 
Are you aware that many companies are moving out of the US and do you understand some of the reasons why?

Yes, because the GOP passed laws that give govt welfare to companies that ship jobs overseas
 
So, without checking, you swallowed it whole.

No, I did check. Of course, it doesn't take a lot to convince me that NASA isn't really concerned about aliens attacking due to global warming, but there is more to the story on a link already posted here.

Some important points of clarification

So here’s the thing. This isn’t a “NASA report.” It’s not work funded by NASA, nor is it work supported by NASA in other ways. It was just a fun paper written by a few friends, one of whom happens to have a NASA affiliation.

The story reads more like something we'd expect to see in "the Onion" or perhaps in a supermarket tabloid, so checking is redundant, but, as expected, the story is bogus.

Now, tell us about how Fox News published it to convince the "gullible left."
 
No, I did check. Of course, it doesn't take a lot to convince me that NASA isn't really concerned about aliens attacking due to global warming, but there is more to the story on a link already posted here.

The story reads more like something we'd expect to see in "the Onion" or perhaps in a supermarket tabloid, so checking is redundant, but, as expected, the story is bogus.

Now, tell us about how Fox News published it to convince the "gullible left."

In fact you're the one who insists on quoting Fox News, an item I never saw.

I quoted a story in the Guardian, a well known journal for committed Leftists, or those who should be committed. They seem to find the story credible so perhaps you should pass your 'grad' story along to them.
 
In fact you're the one who insists on quoting Fox News, an item I never saw.

I quoted a story in the Guardian, a well known journal for committed Leftists, or those who should be committed. They seem to find the story credible so perhaps you should pass your 'grad' story along to them.

It was run on Fox also. Should Fox be committed as well?
 
If "A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures," what exactly is that "significant contributing factor" from human activity?

That's the entire point.

The earth's climate has been changing for millions of years, back and forth to varying degrees, and has changed, according to the people you cite, for "200-plus years". It is the amount of 'human activity factor' that remains the rub.

LOL! Thanks for your uneducated opinion there anonymous internet guy, it has added so much to the discussion. :sun
 
You never mentioned any six degree change in the world's temperature, either up or down. All you asked was "do you think global warming is going to improve the business climate?" and that's what I responded to.

Glad you learned something!
 
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