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Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

Psst... Al Gore is not a scientist. Not a scientist. Pass it on.

Oh, here is a list of real scientific organizations. They are the ones that have to be refuted if anyone is to maintain that global warming theory is a "hoax".

Not Al Gore.
 
Grant said:
If you're looking for goofy theories Al Gore certainly has at least one for you.


Science is not established through a vote. If that was the case you could have once made the arguemnt that the sun did revolve around the earth because the science of the day claimed this was the case.

But money is disappearing into these claims whole the science is, at best, uncertain and unclear.


Again, science is not decided by a minority or majority. It is decided by science, evidence, and so on. Not by a show of hands.



The science is not yet clear and hundreds and thousands of foolish and unsubstantiated claims are being made without any evidence to support them. Again, you can believe whatever nonsense you choose, but not when public funds get involved into this silliness. Science must be exact and the evidence beyond dispute
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If you're going to be so dishonest about the discussion that you'd claim there isn't "any evidence," tell me why should anyone bother talking to you?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Psst... Al Gore is not a scientist. Not a scientist. Pass it on.

Oh, here is a list of real scientific organizations. They are the ones that have to be refuted if anyone is to maintain that global warming theory is a "hoax".

Not Al Gore.
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Aw, that's the short list! Here's a longer, but still partial one:

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Academies of Science

European Academy of Sciences and Arts

In 2007, the European Academy of Sciences and Arts issued a formal declaration on climate change titled Let's Be Honest:

Human activity is most likely responsible for climate warming. Most of the climatic warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been caused by increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Documented long-term climate changes include changes in Arctic temperatures and ice, widespread changes in precipitation amounts, ocean salinity, wind patterns and extreme weather including droughts, heavy precipitation, heat waves and the intensity of tropical cyclones. The above development potentially has dramatic consequences for mankind's future.

InterAcademy Council

As the representative of the world's scientific and engineering academies, the InterAcademy Council (IAC) issued a report in 2007 titled Lighting the Way: Toward a Sustainable Energy Future.

Current patterns of energy resources and energy usage are proving detrimental to the long-term welfare of humanity. The integrity of essential natural systems is already at risk from climate change caused by the atmospheric emissions of greenhouse gases.

Concerted efforts should be mounted for improving energy efficiency and reducing the carbon intensity of the world economy.

International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences

In 2007, the International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences (CAETS) issued a Statement on Environment and Sustainable Growth

As reported by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), most of the observed global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human-produced emission of greenhouse gases and this warming will continue unabated if present anthropogenic emissions continue or, worse, expand without control.

CAETS, therefore, endorses the many recent calls to decrease and control greenhouse gas emissions to an acceptable level as quickly as possible.

Joint science academies' statements

Since 2001, 32 national science academies have come together to issue joint declarations confirming anthropogenic global warming, and urging the nations of the world to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. The signatories of these statements have been the national science academies of Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Cameroon, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Ghana, Germany, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, India, Japan, Kenya, Madagascar, Malaysia, Mexico, Nigeria, New Zealand, Russia, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Sweden, Tanzania, Uganda, United Kingdom, United States, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.

2001-Following the publication of the IPCC Third Assessment Report, sixteen national science academies issued a joint statement explicitly acknowledging the IPCC position as representing the scientific consensus on climate change science. The sixteen science academies that issued the statement were those of Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Malaysia, New Zealand, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.

2005-The national science academies of the G8 nations, plus Brazil, China and India, three of the largest emitters of greenhouse gases in the developing world, signed a statement on the global response to climate change. The statement stresses that the scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action, and explicitly endorsed the IPCC consensus. The eleven signatories were the science academies of Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

2007-In preparation for the 33rd G8 summit, the national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a declaration referencing the position of the 2005 joint science academies' statement, and acknowledging the confirmation of their previous conclusion by recent research. Following the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, the declaration states, "It is unequivocal that the climate is changing, and it is very likely that this is predominantly caused by the increasing human interference with the atmosphere. These changes will transform the environmental conditions on Earth unless counter-measures are taken." The thirteen signatories were the national science academies of Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, Italy, India, Japan, Mexico, Russia, South Africa, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

2008-In preparation for the 34th G8 summit, the national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a declaration reiterating the position of the 2005 joint science academies' statement, and reaffirming "that climate change is happening and that anthropogenic warming is influencing many physical and biological systems." Among other actions, the declaration urges all nations to "(t)ake appropriate economic and policy measures to accelerate transition to a low carbon society and to encourage and effect changes in individual and national behaviour." The thirteen signatories were the same national science academies that issued the 2007 joint statement.

2009-In advance of the UNFCCC negotiations to be held in Copenhagen in December 2009, the national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a joint statement declaring, "Climate change and sustainable energy supply are crucial challenges for the future of humanity. It is essential that world leaders agree on the emission reductions needed to combat negative consequences of anthropogenic climate change". The statement references the IPCC's Fourth Assessment of 2007, and asserts that "climate change is happening even faster than previously estimated; global CO2 emissions since 2000 have been higher than even the highest predictions, Arctic sea ice has been melting at rates much faster than predicted, and the rise in the sea level has become more rapid." The thirteen signatories were the same national science academies that issued the 2007 and 2008 joint statements.

Network of African Science Academies

In 2007, the Network of African Science Academies submitted a joint "statement on sustainability, energy efficiency, and climate change" to the leaders meeting at the G8 Summit in Heiligendamm, Germany:

"A consensus, based on current evidence, now exists within the global scientific community that human activities are the main source of climate change and that the burning of fossil fuels is largely responsible for driving this change."

"The IPCC should be congratulated for the contribution it has made to public understanding of the nexus that exists between energy, climate and sustainability."

The thirteen signatories were the science academies of Cameroon, Ghana, Kenya, Madagascar, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, as well as the African Academy of Sciences.

Royal Society of New Zealand [Yo KEN! :D ]

Having signed onto the first joint science academies' statement in 2001, the Royal Society of New Zealand released a separate statement in 2008 in order to clear up "the controversy over climate change and its causes, and possible confusion among the public":

The globe is warming because of increasing greenhouse gas emissions. Measurements show that greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere are well above levels seen for many thousands of years. Further global climate changes are predicted, with impacts expected to become more costly as time progresses. Reducing future impacts of climate change will require substantial reductions of greenhouse gas emissions.

Polish Academy of Sciences

In December 2007, the General Assembly of the Polish Academy of Sciences (PAN) issued a statement endorsing the IPCC conclusions, and states:

"it is the duty of Polish science and the national government to, in a thoughtful, organized and active manner, become involved in realisation of these ideas".

"Problems of global warming, climate change, and their various negative impacts on human life and on the functioning of entire societies are one of the most dramatic challenges of modern times."

"PAS General Assembly calls on the national scientific communities and the national government to actively support Polish participation in this important endeavor."[23]

National Research Council (US)

In 2001, the Committee on the Science of Climate Change of the National Research Council published Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions. This report explicitly endorses the IPCC view of attribution of recent climate change as representing the view of the scientific community:

The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes is also a reflection of natural variability. Human-induced warming and associated sea level rises are expected to continue through the 21st century... The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue.

General science

American Association for the Advancement of Science

In 2006, the American Association for the Advancement of Science adopted an official statement on climate change in which they stated, "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society....The pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now."[25]

European Science Foundation

In 2007, the European Science Foundation issued a Position Paper on climate change:

There is now convincing evidence that since the industrial revolution, human activities, resulting in increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases have become a major agent of climate change. These greenhouse gases affect the global climate by retaining heat in the troposphere, thus raising the average temperature of the planet and altering global atmospheric circulation and precipitation patterns.

While on-going national and international actions to curtail and reduce greenhouse gas emissions are essential, the levels of greenhouse gases currently in the atmosphere, and their impact, are likely to persist for several decades. On-going and increased efforts to mitigate climate change through reduction in greenhouse gases are therefore crucial.

Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
In 2008, the Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies (FASTS) issued a policy statement on climate change:

Global climate change is real and measurable. Since the start of the 20th century, the global mean surface temperature of the Earth has increased by more than 0.7°C and the rate of warming has been largest in the last 30 years.

Key vulnerabilities arising from climate change include water resources, food supply, health, coastal settlements, biodiversity and some key ecosystems such as coral reefs and alpine regions. As the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases increases, impacts become more severe and widespread. To reduce the global net economic, environmental and social losses in the face of these impacts, the policy objective must remain squarely focused on returning greenhouse gas concentrations to near pre-industrial levels through the reduction of emissions.
The spatial and temporal fingerprint of warming can be traced to increasing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere, which are a direct result of burning fossil fuels, broad-scale deforestation and other human activity.
 
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Earth sciences

American Geophysical Union

The American Geophysical Union (AGU) statement, adopted by the society in 2003 and revised in 2007, affirms that rising levels of greenhouse gases have caused and will continue to cause the global surface temperature to be warmer:

The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system-including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons-are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6°C over the period 1956-2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.

European Federation of Geologists

In 2008, the European Federation of Geologists (EFG) issued the position paper Carbon Capture and geological Storage :

The EFG recognizes the work of the IPCC and other organizations, and subscribes to the major findings that climate change is happening, is predominantly caused by anthropogenic emissions of CO2, and poses a significant threat to human civilization.

It is clear that major efforts are necessary to quickly and strongly reduce CO2 emissions. The EFG strongly advocates renewable and sustainable energy production, including geothermal energy, as well as the need for increasing energy efficiency.

CCS [Carbon Capture and geological Storage] should also be regarded as a bridging technology, facilitating the move towards a carbon free economy.

European Geosciences Union

In 2005, the Divisions of Atmospheric and Climate Sciences of the European Geosciences Union (EGU) issued a position statement in support of the joint science academies' statement on global response to climate change. The statement refers to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), as "the main representative of the global scientific community", and asserts that the IPCC "represents the state-of-the-art of climate science supported by the major science academies around the world and by the vast majority of science researchers and investigators as documented by the peer-reviewed scientific literature."

Additionally, in 2008, the EGU issued a position statement on ocean acidification which states, "Ocean acidification is already occurring today and will continue to intensify, closely tracking atmospheric CO2 increase. Given the potential threat to marine ecosystems and its ensuing impact on human society and economy, especially as it acts in conjunction with anthropogenic global warming, there is an urgent need for immediate action." The statement then advocates for strategies "to limit future release of CO2 to the atmosphere and/or enhance removal of excess CO2 from the atmosphere."

Geological Society of America

In 2006, the Geological Society of America adopted a position statement on global climate change:

The Geological Society of America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth's climate is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities; and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries. Furthermore, the potential implications of global climate change and the time scale over which such changes will likely occur require active, effective, long-term planning.

Geological Society of Australia

In July 2009, the Geological Society of Australia issued the position statement Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Climate Change:

Human activities have increasing impact on Earth's environments. Of particular concern are the well-documented loading of carbon dioxide (CO2) to the atmosphere, which has been linked unequivocally to burning of fossil fuels, and the corresponding increase in average global temperature. Risks associated with these large-scale perturbations of the Earth's fundamental life-support systems include rising sea level, harmful shifts in the acid balance of the oceans and long-term changes in local and regional climate and extreme weather events.

GSA therefore recommends…strong action be taken at all levels, including government, industry, and individuals to substantially reduce the current levels of greenhouse gas emissions and mitigate the likely social and environmental effects of increasing atmospheric CO2.

International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics

In July 2007, the International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics (IUGG) adopted a resolution titled "The Urgency of Addressing Climate Change". In it, the IUGG concurs with the "comprehensive and widely accepted and endorsed scientific assessments carried out by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and regional and national bodies, which have firmly established, on the basis of scientific evidence, that human activities are the primary cause of recent climate change." They state further that the "continuing reliance on combustion of fossil fuels as the world's primary source of energy will lead to much higher atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gasses, which will, in turn, cause significant increases in surface temperature, sea level, ocean acidification, and their related consequences to the environment and society."

National Association of Geoscience Teachers

In July 2009, the National Association of Geoscience Teachers (NAGT) adopted a position statement on climate change in which they assert that "Earth's climate is changing [and] "that present warming trends are largely the result of human activities":

NAGT strongly supports and will work to promote education in the science of climate change, the causes and effects of current global warming, and the immediate need for policies and actions that reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.

Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London

In its position paper on global warming, the Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London declares, "Global climate change is increasingly recognised as the key threat to the continued development - and even survival - of humanity." They refer to the IPCC as providing the "most authoritative assessment of climate change", and further state, "We find that the evidence for human-induced climate change is now persuasive, and the need for direct action compelling."

Meteorology and oceanography

American Meteorological Society

The American Meteorological Society (AMS) statement adopted by their council in 2003 said:

There is now clear evidence that the mean annual temperature at the Earth's surface, averaged over the entire globe, has been increasing in the past 200 years. There is also clear evidence that the abundance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased over the same period. In the past decade, significant progress has been made toward a better understanding of the climate system and toward improved projections of long-term climate change... Human activities have become a major source of environmental change. Of great urgency are the climate consequences of the increasing atmospheric abundance of greenhouse gases... Because greenhouse gases continue to increase, we are, in effect, conducting a global climate experiment, neither planned nor controlled, the results of which may present unprecedented challenges to our wisdom and foresight as well as have significant impacts on our natural and societal systems.

Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

The Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society has issued a Statement on Climate Change, wherein they conclude, "Global climate change and global warming are real and observable…It is highly likely that those human activities that have increased the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have been largely responsible for the observed warming since 1950. The warming associated with increases in greenhouse gases originating from human activity is called the enhanced greenhouse effect. The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased by more than 30% since the start of the industrial age and is higher now than at any time in at least the past 650,000 years. This increase is a direct result of burning fossil fuels, broad-scale deforestation and other human activity."

Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences

In November 2005, the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences (CFCAS) issued a letter to the Prime Minister of Canada stating that "We concur with the climate science assessment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 2001 ... We endorse the conclusions of the IPCC assessment that 'There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities'. ... There is increasingly unambiguous evidence of changing climate in Canada and around the world. There will be increasing impacts of climate change on Canada's natural ecosystems and on our socio-economic activities. Advances in climate science since the 2001 IPCC Assessment have provided more evidence supporting the need for action and development of a strategy for adaptation to projected changes."

Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

"CMOS endorses the process of periodic climate science assessment carried out by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and supports the conclusion, in its Third Assessment Report, which states that the balance of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on global climate."

Royal Meteorological Society (UK)

In February 2007, after the release of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report, the Royal Meteorological Society issued an endorsement of the report. In addition to referring to the IPCC as "world's best climate scientists", they stated that climate change is happening as "the result of emissions since industrialization and we have already set in motion the next 50 years of global warming - what we do from now on will determine how worse it will get."

World Meteorological Organization

In its Statement at the Twelfth Session of the Conference of the Parties to the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change presented on November 15, 2006, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) confirms the need to "prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system." The WMO concurs that "scientific assessments have increasingly reaffirmed that human activities are indeed changing the composition of the atmosphere, in particular through the burning of fossil fuels for energy production and transportation." The WMO concurs that "the present atmospheric concentration of CO2 was never exceeded over the past 420,000 years;" and that the IPCC "assessments provide the most authoritative, up-to-date scientific advice."
 
Part 3:

Paleoclimatology

American Quaternary Association

The American Quaternary Association (AMQUA) has stated, "Few credible Scientists now doubt that humans have influenced the documented rise of global temperatures since the Industrial Revolution," citing "the growing body of evidence that warming of the atmosphere, especially over the past 50 years, is directly impacted by human activity."

International Union for Quaternary Research

The statement on climate change issued by the International Union for Quaternary Research (INQUA) reiterates the conclusions of the IPCC, and urges all nations to take prompt action in line with the UNFCCC principles.

"Human activities are now causing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gasses - including carbon dioxide, methane, tropospheric ozone, and nitrous oxide - to rise well above pre-industrial levels….Increases in greenhouse gasses are causing temperatures to rise…The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action….Minimizing the amount of this carbon dioxide reaching the atmosphere presents a huge challenge but must be a global priority."

Biology and life sciences

American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians

The American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians (AAWV) has issued a position statement regarding "climate change, wildlife diseases, and wildlife health":

There is widespread scientific agreement that the world's climate is changing and that the weight of evidence demonstrates that anthropogenic factors have and will continue to contribute significantly to global warming and climate change. It is anticipated that continuing changes to the climate will have serious negative impacts on public, animal and ecosystem health due to extreme weather events, changing disease transmission dynamics, emerging and re-emerging diseases, and alterations to habitat and ecological systems that are essential to wildlife conservation. Furthermore, there is increasing recognition of the inter-relationships of human, domestic animal, wildlife, and ecosystem health as illustrated by the fact the majority of recent emerging diseases have a wildlife origin.

American Society for Microbiology

In 2003, the American Society for Microbiology issued a public policy report in which they recommend "reducing net anthropogenic CO2 emissions to the atmosphere" and "minimizing anthropogenic disturbances of" atmospheric gases:

Carbon dioxide concentrations were relatively stable for the past 10,000 years but then began to increase rapidly about 150 years ago…as a result of fossil fuel consumption and land use change.

Of course, changes in atmospheric composition are but one component of global change, which also includes disturbances in the physical and chemical conditions of the oceans and land surface. Although global change has been a natural process throughout Earth's history, humans are responsible for substantially accelerating present-day changes. These changes may adversely affect human health and the biosphere on which we depend.

Outbreaks of a number of diseases, including Lyme disease, hantavirus infections, dengue fever, bubonic plague, and cholera, have been linked to climate change.

Australian Coral Reef Society

In 2006, the Australian Coral Reef Society issued an official communique regarding the Great Barrier Reef and the "world-wide decline in coral reefs through processes such as overfishing, runoff of nutrients from the land, coral bleaching, global climate change, ocean acidification, pollution", etc.:

There is almost total consensus among experts that the earth's climate is changing as a result of the build-up of greenhouse gases. The IPCC (involving over 3,000 of the world's experts) has come out with clear conclusions as to the reality of this phenomenon. One does not have to look further than the collective academy of scientists worldwide to see the string (of) statements on this worrying change to the earth's atmosphere.
There is broad scientific consensus that coral reefs are heavily affected by the activities of man and there are significant global influences that can make reefs more vulnerable such as global warming....It is highly likely that coral bleaching has been exacerbated by global warming.

Institute of Biology (UK)

The UK's Institute of Biology states "there is scientific agreement that the rapid global warming that has occurred in recent years is mostly anthropogenic, ie due to human activity." As a consequence of global warming, they warn that a "rise in sea levels due to melting of ice caps is expected to occur. Rises in temperature will have complex and frequently localised effects on weather, but an overall increase in extreme weather conditions and changes in precipitation patterns are probable, resulting in flooding and drought. The spread of tropical diseases is also expected." Subsequently, the Institute of Biology advocates policies to reduce "greenhouse gas emissions, as we feel that the consequences of climate change are likely to be severe."

Society of American Foresters

In 2008, the Society of American Foresters (SAF) issued two position statements pertaining to climate change in which they cite the IPCC and the UNFCCC:

Forests are shaped by climate....Changes in temperature and precipitation regimes therefore have the potential to dramatically affect forests nationwide. There is growing evidence that our climate is changing. The changes in temperature have been associated with increasing concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) and other GHGs in the atmosphere.
Forests play a significant role in offsetting CO2 emissions, the primary anthropogenic GHG.

The Wildlife Society (international)

The Wildlife Society has issued a position statement titled Global Climate Change and Wildlife:

Scientists throughout the world have concluded that climate research conducted in the past two decades definitively shows that rapid worldwide climate change occurred in the 20th century, and will likely continue to occur for decades to come. Although climates have varied dramatically since the earth was formed, few scientists question the role of humans in exacerbating recent climate change through the emission of greenhouse gases. The critical issue is no longer "if" climate change is occurring, but rather how to address its effects on wildlife and wildlife habitats.

The statement goes on to assert that "evidence is accumulating that wildlife and wildlife habitats have been and will continue to be significantly affected by ongoing large-scale rapid climate change."

The statement concludes with a call for "reduction in anthropogenic (human-caused) sources of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions contributing to global climate change and the conservation of CO2- consuming photosynthesizers (i.e., plants)."
 
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Paleoclimatology

American Quaternary Association

The American Quaternary Association (AMQUA) has stated, "Few credible Scientists now doubt that humans have influenced the documented rise of global temperatures since the Industrial Revolution," citing "the growing body of evidence that warming of the atmosphere, especially over the past 50 years, is directly impacted by human activity."

International Union for Quaternary Research

The statement on climate change issued by the International Union for Quaternary Research (INQUA) reiterates the conclusions of the IPCC, and urges all nations to take prompt action in line with the UNFCCC principles.

"Human activities are now causing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gasses - including carbon dioxide, methane, tropospheric ozone, and nitrous oxide - to rise well above pre-industrial levels….Increases in greenhouse gasses are causing temperatures to rise…The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action….Minimizing the amount of this carbon dioxide reaching the atmosphere presents a huge challenge but must be a global priority."

Biology and life sciences

American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians

The American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians (AAWV) has issued a position statement regarding "climate change, wildlife diseases, and wildlife health":

There is widespread scientific agreement that the world's climate is changing and that the weight of evidence demonstrates that anthropogenic factors have and will continue to contribute significantly to global warming and climate change. It is anticipated that continuing changes to the climate will have serious negative impacts on public, animal and ecosystem health due to extreme weather events, changing disease transmission dynamics, emerging and re-emerging diseases, and alterations to habitat and ecological systems that are essential to wildlife conservation. Furthermore, there is increasing recognition of the inter-relationships of human, domestic animal, wildlife, and ecosystem health as illustrated by the fact the majority of recent emerging diseases have a wildlife origin.

American Society for Microbiology

In 2003, the American Society for Microbiology issued a public policy report in which they recommend "reducing net anthropogenic CO2 emissions to the atmosphere" and "minimizing anthropogenic disturbances of" atmospheric gases:

Carbon dioxide concentrations were relatively stable for the past 10,000 years but then began to increase rapidly about 150 years ago…as a result of fossil fuel consumption and land use change.

Of course, changes in atmospheric composition are but one component of global change, which also includes disturbances in the physical and chemical conditions of the oceans and land surface. Although global change has been a natural process throughout Earth's history, humans are responsible for substantially accelerating present-day changes. These changes may adversely affect human health and the biosphere on which we depend.

Outbreaks of a number of diseases, including Lyme disease, hantavirus infections, dengue fever, bubonic plague, and cholera, have been linked to climate change.

Australian Coral Reef Society

In 2006, the Australian Coral Reef Society issued an official communique regarding the Great Barrier Reef and the "world-wide decline in coral reefs through processes such as overfishing, runoff of nutrients from the land, coral bleaching, global climate change, ocean acidification, pollution", etc.:

There is almost total consensus among experts that the earth's climate is changing as a result of the build-up of greenhouse gases. The IPCC (involving over 3,000 of the world's experts) has come out with clear conclusions as to the reality of this phenomenon. One does not have to look further than the collective academy of scientists worldwide to see the string (of) statements on this worrying change to the earth's atmosphere.
There is broad scientific consensus that coral reefs are heavily affected by the activities of man and there are significant global influences that can make reefs more vulnerable such as global warming....It is highly likely that coral bleaching has been exacerbated by global warming.

Institute of Biology (UK)

The UK's Institute of Biology states "there is scientific agreement that the rapid global warming that has occurred in recent years is mostly anthropogenic, ie due to human activity." As a consequence of global warming, they warn that a "rise in sea levels due to melting of ice caps is expected to occur. Rises in temperature will have complex and frequently localised effects on weather, but an overall increase in extreme weather conditions and changes in precipitation patterns are probable, resulting in flooding and drought. The spread of tropical diseases is also expected." Subsequently, the Institute of Biology advocates policies to reduce "greenhouse gas emissions, as we feel that the consequences of climate change are likely to be severe."

Society of American Foresters

In 2008, the Society of American Foresters (SAF) issued two position statements pertaining to climate change in which they cite the IPCC and the UNFCCC:

Forests are shaped by climate....Changes in temperature and precipitation regimes therefore have the potential to dramatically affect forests nationwide. There is growing evidence that our climate is changing. The changes in temperature have been associated with increasing concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) and other GHGs in the atmosphere.
Forests play a significant role in offsetting CO2 emissions, the primary anthropogenic GHG.

The Wildlife Society (international)

The Wildlife Society has issued a position statement titled Global Climate Change and Wildlife:

Scientists throughout the world have concluded that climate research conducted in the past two decades definitively shows that rapid worldwide climate change occurred in the 20th century, and will likely continue to occur for decades to come. Although climates have varied dramatically since the earth was formed, few scientists question the role of humans in exacerbating recent climate change through the emission of greenhouse gases. The critical issue is no longer "if" climate change is occurring, but rather how to address its effects on wildlife and wildlife habitats.

The statement goes on to assert that "evidence is accumulating that wildlife and wildlife habitats have been and will continue to be significantly affected by ongoing large-scale rapid climate change."

The statement concludes with a call for "reduction in anthropogenic (human-caused) sources of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions contributing to global climate change and the conservation of CO2- consuming photosynthesizers (i.e., plants)."
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Damn dude, you been a busy beaver eh? :shock:
 
donc said:
Damn dude, you been a busy beaver eh? :shock:
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Put that together some years ago. I'm sure there are many more now. ;)
 
Deuce said:
If you're going to be so dishonest about the discussion that you'd claim there isn't "any evidence," tell me why should anyone bother talking to you?
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Are you really willing to pervert what was said in order to try and justify your beliefs? Why not quote the entire sentence and meaning?

I said "foolish and unsubstantiated claims are being made without any evidence to support them". Got it? Do you deny that there are unsubstantiated claims being made?

The Gorists are forced to misrepresent and lie in attempts to try and make their case, just as you did here.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Psst... Al Gore is not a scientist. Not a scientist. Pass it on.

Oh, here is a list of real scientific organizations. They are the ones that have to be refuted if anyone is to maintain that global warming theory is a "hoax".

Not Al Gore.
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I don't know why so many miss this. :shrug:
 
Grant said:
If you're looking for goofy theories Al Gore certainly has at least one for you.


Science is not established through a vote. If that was the case you could have once made the arguemnt that the sun did revolve around the earth because the science of the day claimed this was the case.

But money is disappearing into these claims whole the science is, at best, uncertain and unclear.


Again, science is not decided by a minority or majority. It is decided by science, evidence, and so on. Not by a show of hands.



The science is not yet clear and hundreds and thousands of foolish and unsubstantiated claims are being made without any evidence to support them. Again, you can believe whatever nonsense you choose, but not when public funds get involved into this silliness. Science must be exact and the evidence beyond dispute
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Al Gore is not a scientist. No one suggested a vote either, only that the overwhelming majority of scientist, those specific to the field, agree that there is GW, and that man plays a significant role in this. We good go with the guy hold the divining rod, but ususally we go with the science. And we do look at what is agreed upon within the scientific ciommunity, whcih means consensus means more than the fringe.

Do you remember the old tobacco debates, when their shills claimed the science was in yet, that there was debate? How did that work out? Sadly old tactics just get repeated because you can fool some of the people all of the time.
 
Boo Radley said:
Al Gore is not a scientist.
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What about...Al Gore, the prophet spouting pseudo-science?

I'm (as well as many others) understandably are wary of the Al Gore hysteria crowd because I have strong concerns about their motives. I think that there are folks who are just concerned with the science of it all, but I think they are being coached/funded/channeled or otherwise manipulated to come up with findings that will further certain social/political/economic agendas that are at odds with the continued well being of the United States of America.

Kinda reminds me reminds me a bit about nuclear disarmament arguments, you'd hear back in the 80's. The left I hate America crowd was screaming at the top of their lungs for the western democracies to dismantle their nuclear arsenals, while no similar request was being made of the Soviet Union. WTF???

Fast forward 30 years and the I hate America assholes want western democracies to charge off of a proverbial economic cliff as a knee jerk reaction to the probability that human industrialization is contributing to the Earth's climate change cycles by having everyone make the leap of faith that human civilization can retool itself in such a way that will reverse the process. Yet, even though China surpassed the United States as the world's largest emitter of CO2 in 2006, no indignation is shown at their cavalier attitude towards climate change or any other environmental issue for that matter.....again WTF???? Indeed China, India, and just about every region besides North America and western Europe is conveniently ignored by "I hate America" dumbasses global warming gurus. ...The reality is that if you do make that leap of faith and agree that we can somehow undo the effect human society is having on climate change, attacking the problem by draconian means in just Europe and America isn't going to accomplish **** but remove America from it's superpower status. Europe is already economically irrelevant on the world stage, so comparatively speaking they have little to lose with such a grand experiment.


Global warming hysteria is big business now, and fortunes stand to me made if government regulations can be massaged in the right way.

Thats the bottom line
 
ric27 said:
What about...Al Gore, the prophet spouting pseudo-science?

I'm (as well as many others) understandably are wary of the Al Gore hysteria crowd because I have strong concerns about their motives. I think that there are folks who are just concerned with the science of it all, but I think they are being coached/funded/channeled or otherwise manipulated to come up with findings that will further certain social/political/economic agendas that are at odds with the continued well being of the United States of America.

Kinda reminds me reminds me a bit about nuclear disarmament arguments, you'd hear back in the 80's. The left I hate America crowd was screaming at the top of their lungs for the western democracies to dismantle their nuclear arsenals, while no similar request was being made of the Soviet Union. WTF???

Fast forward 30 years and the I hate America assholes want western democracies to charge off of a proverbial economic cliff as a knee jerk reaction to the probability that human industrialization is contributing to the Earth's climate change cycles by having everyone make the leap of faith that human civilization can retool itself in such a way that will reverse the process. Yet, even though China surpassed the United States as the world's largest emitter of CO2 in 2006, no indignation is shown at their cavalier attitude towards climate change or any other environmental issue for that matter.....again WTF???? Indeed China, India, and just about every region besides North America and western Europe is conveniently ignored by "I hate America" dumbasses global warming gurus. ...The reality is that if you do make that leap of faith and agree that we can somehow undo the effect human society is having on climate change, attacking the problem by draconian means in just Europe and America isn't going to accomplish **** but remove America from it's superpower status. Europe is already economically irrelevant on the world stage, so comparatively speaking they have little to lose with such a grand experiment.


Global warming hysteria is big business now, and fortunes stand to me made if government regulations can be massaged in the right way.

Thats the bottom line
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Um, there are plenty of people saying China needs to cut back emissions too.
 
Grant said:
If you're looking for goofy theories Al Gore certainly has at least one for you.
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Al Gore is not a scientist. He only presents facts and science...


Science is not established through a vote. If that was the case you could have once made the arguemnt that the sun did revolve around the earth because the science of the day claimed this was the case.
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Science is establish though consensus and peer-preview. We have four decades of data, peer-review, and consensus concluding that global warming is man made. Any who thinks otherwise is just believing lies spun by big Energy and big Coal.

But money is disappearing into these claims whole the science is, at best, uncertain and unclear.
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The only thing that is unclear is why so many people can't see what's right in front of them...the rise in temps is causing a shift in climate. Spring and Fall are disappearing. We will be left with long and hard winters and summers.


Again, science is not decided by a minority or majority. It is decided by science, evidence, and so on. Not by a show of hands.
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You should really read up on this subject as your post reveals a profound ignorance on this issue.
 
ric27 said:
Global warming hysteria is big business now, and fortunes stand to me made if government regulations can be massaged in the right way.

Thats the bottom line
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The bottom line is that the real money, the actual money, the tens of billions of dollars already in existence, are on the side of science deniers. All of this hoax nonsens has been funded at one time or another by gargantuan energy companies who stand to lose when people wake up to reality and place stricter enforcement on fossil fuel emissions. In contrast, there is very little green in green energy. It's no different than the tobacco companies and asbestos companies who paid "experts" to testify that there was no link between tobacco/asbestos and cancer. How obvious is it? Some of these companies have even hired the SAME "EXPERTS" that they used to deny the tobacco/cancer connection to deny the CO2/warming connection.

Stop being a dupe.
 
Boo Radley said:
Al Gore is not a scientist.
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No, but he is making millions talking about it as though he knows something of the issue.

No one suggested a vote either, only that the overwhelming majority of scientist, those specific to the field, agree that there is GW, and that man plays a significant role in this. We good go with the guy hold the divining rod, but ususally we go with the science. And we do look at what is agreed upon within the scientific ciommunity, whcih means consensus means more than the fringe.
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Again, science is not determined by 'consensus'. The fact is that there are just too many questions being raised about the science involved..
Do you remember the old tobacco debates, when their shills claimed the science was in yet, that there was debate? How did that work out? Sadly old tactics just get repeated because you can fool some of the people all of the time.
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That's an excellent example! Do you remember the number of doctors and scientists saying that smoking was not detrimental to health, that it was relaxing, that it soothed your throat? Follow the money.
 
hazlnut said:
Science is establish though consensus and peer-preview. We have four decades of data, peer-review, and consensus concluding that global warming is man made. Any who thinks otherwise is just believing lies spun by big Energy and big Coal.
The only thing that is unclear is why so many people can't see what's right in front of them...the rise in temps is causing a shift in climate. Spring and Fall are disappearing. We will be left with long and hard winters and summers. You should really read up on this subject as your post reveals a profound ignorance on this issue.
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The issue is hardly settled and there are certainly misleading claims being made by those who support the idea of man made global warming.

Dissenters
 
Grant said:
Again, science is not determined by 'consensus'. The fact is that there are just too many questions being raised about the science involved..
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There are always questioned raised about science. That's what science is. There are still questions being raised about gravity. Does that mean that gravity is a hoax?

So far none of the counterarguments against AGW have held water. It's the best theory going ... by a mile.
 
AdamT said:
There are always questioned raised about science. That's what science is. There are still questions being raised about gravity. Does that mean that gravity is a hoax?

So far none of the counterarguments against AGW have held water. It's the best theory going ... by a mile.
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Exactly, in fact there has not been a scientific organization of national or international standing that has held a dissenting view of AGW since 2007.
 
Grant said:
No, but he is making millions talking about it as though he knows something of the issue.
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Which is meaningless to the debate.

Again, science is not determined by 'consensus'. The fact is that there are just too many questions being raised about the science involved..
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Didn't say it was determined by, but it does tell us what most the science says. There really are not as many questions as you seem to think there are. You simply choose to believe there are that many questions.

That's an excellent example! Do you remember the number of doctors and scientists saying that smoking was not detrimental to health, that it was relaxing, that it soothed your throat? Follow the money.
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You might recall in reality it was only those who worked for the tobacco companies who said it was not deterimental to your health. Largely, the consensus said otherwise, that it was unhealthy for you. Tobacco companies successfully convinced the public there was a debate where there really wasn't one, just oil companies are doing now.
 
AdamT said:
There are always questioned raised about science. That's what science is. There are still questions being raised about gravity. Does that mean that gravity is a hoax?

So far none of the counterarguments against AGW have held water. It's the best theory going ... by a mile.
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I'm not aware of any questions regarding the existence of gravity, at least to the point where it is as controversial as man made global warming. If you want to follow 'the best theories going" then that is up to you, but tax dollars should not be spent on the 'best theories going', nor should laws be enacted on them.

In fact the Kyoto Treaty, enacted during the height of this silliness, his now been largely ignored and forgotten.. It is rapidly becoming yesterday's theory and we'll soon move on to another scare that needs public money to divert is away from an imminent tragedy.
 
Grant said:
I'm not aware of any questions regarding the existence of gravity, at least to the point where it is as controversial as man made global warming. If you want to follow 'the best theories going" then that is up to you, but tax dollars should not be spent on the 'best theories going', nor should laws be enacted on them.

In fact the Kyoto Treaty, enacted during the height of this silliness, his now been largely ignored and forgotten.. It is rapidly becoming yesterday's theory and we'll soon move on to another scare that needs public money to divert is away from an imminent tragedy.
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No one seriously claims that gravity doesn't exist, just as no one seriously claims that global warming doesn't exist. In both cases the inquiry surrounds the cause.

The causes of cancer are also theoretical. Should we not be spending tax dollars on cancer research?

The bottom line is that you know very little about AGW but you have somehow managed to convince yourself that you know more about it than 97% of the people who have dedicated their lives to studying it.
 
AdamT said:
The bottom line is that the real money, the actual money, the tens of billions of dollars already in existence, are on the side of science deniers. All of this hoax nonsens has been funded at one time or another by gargantuan energy companies who stand to lose when people wake up to reality and place stricter enforcement on fossil fuel emissions. In contrast, there is very little green in green energy. It's no different than the tobacco companies and asbestos companies who paid "experts" to testify that there was no link between tobacco/asbestos and cancer. How obvious is it? Some of these companies have even hired the SAME "EXPERTS" that they used to deny the tobacco/cancer connection to deny the CO2/warming connection.

Stop being a dupe.
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No, mi amigo...YOU are duped

If you look carefully at the cult that has sprung up around the theory that humans are responsible for the problem and need to take whatever immediate steps to they can to reduce their impact on the Earth's environment, you will find that most of the legitimate researchers disagree on quite a few of the subtleties around how we got to the current state and how we get out of it. They all tend to stand united because the hidden agenda here is that they want to change human society in such a way that it is, for lack of any better term, "more green", and they feel that goal is so important that any means are justified to attain it. Another problem arises when you start talking about the academic research grants and the intricate house of cards that business represents. When you combine those two factors you will find that the folks involved will quite readily design research and experimentation to favor whichever direction the political wind is blowing. Most of the academics will quite conveniently find evidence to support their socio-political beliefs, in this case that America and the SUV should be done away with. If someone with validating credentials speaks out against the popular theory about global warming they are attacked, reassigned, marginalized, their grant money dries up and after a while they end up losing their job.
 
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