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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    97% is a hugely inflated number, unless you only count those who get published, which immensely favors those who have bought into academia's current dogma over those who dare to go against it. Anyways, no matter which position I take, there's guaranteed to be some people with advanced science degrees who disagree, so that's kind of a non-argument.

    Is it so hard to accept that there might possibly be forces pushing most scientists to the wrong conclusion other than actual science? Peer pressure/groupthink, or the fact that academia in general is hugely politically left-leaning, which brings in all sorts of sampling biases, comes to mind. Anyways, to answer your question, yes, I would rather do the actual research and come to my own conclusion than just take a poll of scientists and uninformedly decide whatever they tell me must be right.
    Actually it's not an inflated number at all. It was the result of a survey sent out to more than 3000 earth scientists: 97% of active climatologists agree that human activity is causing global warming : Deltoid

    Unless you have a PhD or equivalent in a climate related field and you've done years of relevant study of the problem, you can't possibly do the actual research necessary to overturn the conclusions of literally thousands of published papers supporting climate change theory.

    As far as any bias goes, I think you have it exactly backwards. No scientist ever made a reputation by going along with the herd.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Psychometrics are at the squishy end of the soft sciences. In real biology land, there is no overall standard for measuring intelligence in humans.
    As he said, IQ tests work pretty well. The best predicting variable we have for life outcome both within and without groups.
    Race and IQ is a touchy subject (though it's OK to point to Race and Physical prowess) but differentials do exist, are measurable, and can be confirmed by outcomes of people's from a continental level right down to say a much smaller population on a different continent.



    The evolution of physical characteristics localized to a geographic region took place long ago. The incredible mobility of modern societies prevents the same of kind regional selection in humans.
    Mental characteristics too... and probably NOT so long ago.
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    Despite it's non-fiction title, looks like a fairly easy read. Had been reading About it/come across it alot.
    A common sense, non-PC, work on Evolution/anthroplogy.

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    Amazon.com: The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution: Gregory Cochran, Henry Harpending

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    As he said, IQ tests work pretty well. The best predicting variable we have for life outcome both within and without groups.
    Mmm, I think the only thing IQ tests are good at predicting is how well you will do on another IQ test. They are not good at predicting academic success, nor are they good at predicting success in life.

    High IQ and Success

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually it's not an inflated number at all. It was the result of a survey sent out to more than 3000 earth scientists: 97% of active climatologists agree that human activity is causing global warming : Deltoid
    I already knew exactly where you got that bogus 97% number, hence, to restate:
    unless you only count those who get published, which immensely favors those who have bought into academia's current dogma over those who dare to go against it.
    I don't put more faith in scientific evidence that's been confirmed by academia than that which is looked down upon by it. And anyways, as I said, by taking a position at all, you're saying that you know better than the published scientific evidence that disagrees with your conclusion. The fact that it's not as numerous is beside the point.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I wish people would read what I actually wrote... see the above post.

    If you narrow it down to just "Climatologists", it's more like 88%; still a vast majority, but not nearly as impressive-looking as 97%.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Mmm, I think the only thing IQ tests are good at predicting is how well you will do on another IQ test. They are not good at predicting academic success, nor are they good at predicting success in life.

    High IQ and Success
    Hardly a study, just a PC article.
    "Do you need high IQ ..."
    No, of course not.
    We're talking Probability, you posted Apologetics with Strawmen.

    Articles like that are the one thing RiverDad got generally right about liberality.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I already knew exactly where you got that bogus 97% number, hence, to restate:


    I don't put more faith in scientific evidence that's been confirmed by academia than that which is looked down upon by it. And anyways, as I said, by taking a position at all, you're saying that you know better than the published scientific evidence that disagrees with your conclusion. The fact that it's not as numerous is beside the point.
    So when you search out active scientists, it's somehow unfair.

    I suppose we could go the petition route: Global Warming Petition Project

    Oh wait, that kinda fails.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I wish people would read what I actually wrote... see the above post.

    If you narrow it down to just "Climatologists", it's more like 88%; still a vast majority, but not nearly as impressive-looking as 97%.
    And again, if we narrow it down to those active in the field(ie publishing in it), we get 97 to 98.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So when you search out active scientists, it's somehow unfair.

    I suppose we could go the petition route: Global Warming Petition Project

    Oh wait, that kinda fails.
    The word "active" isn't how they measured it. That study pretty blatantly kept narrowing the description down until they finally got to the highest number they could ever achieve. The full description was "Climatologists who are active publishers on climate change" In other words, Climatologists who succeed at getting published by a group of peers who loathe their opinion and have an incentive to keep it out of any academic arguments to keep that "consensus" narrative alive. Yes, that is unfair. Other climatologists have opinions too, and if we're going by scientific education and knowledge, their opinions matter just as much.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    The word "active" isn't how they measured it. That study pretty blatantly kept narrowing the description down until they finally got to the highest number they could ever achieve. The full description was "Climatologists who are active publishers on climate change" In other words, Climatologists who succeed at getting published by a group of peers who loathe their opinion and have an incentive to keep it out of any academic arguments to keep that "consensus" narrative alive. Yes, that is unfair. Other climatologists have opinions too, and if we're going by scientific education and knowledge, their opinions matter just as much.
    Yes, but scientists active in their field tend to publish their work. So what you have is that among those who know the most on the subject, 97+ % think that man made global warming is correct. This does not prove that they in fact are right(argument ad populum or whatever it's called), but it does give great pause when considering it. There is almost no belief among the community of climatologists that manmade actions are not effecting the environment.
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