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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They're going to move the pipeline out of the U.S.? They better have a lot of pipe!
    Who said they were going to move a pipeline out of the US? Is that what's being claimed now?

    Are you aware that many companies are moving out of the US and do you understand some of the reasons why?

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And his opinion is the same as the 97% consensus of Climate scientists ~

    "A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures."

    "Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.

    About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

    In analyzing responses by sub-groups, Doran found that climatologists who are active in research showed the strongest consensus on the causes of global warming, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role. Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 and 64 percent respectively believing in human involvement. Doran compared their responses to a recent poll showing only 58 percent of the public thinks human activity contributes to global warming."
    Scientists Agree Human-induced Global Warming Is Real, Survey Says
    If "A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures," what exactly is that "significant contributing factor" from human activity?

    That's the entire point.

    The earth's climate has been changing for millions of years, back and forth to varying degrees, and has changed, according to the people you cite, for "200-plus years". It is the amount of 'human activity factor' that remains the rub.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who said they were going to move a pipeline out of the US? Is that what's being claimed now?

    Are you aware that many companies are moving out of the US and do you understand some of the reasons why?
    That's what the protest was about -- a pipeline running across the country. Sort of like the one that blew out under the Yellowstone River a month or so ago.

    If companies are moving out of the country because we won't let them be irresponsible, then good riddance.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's what the protest was about -- a pipeline running across the country. Sort of like the one that blew out under the Yellowstone River a month or so ago.

    If companies are moving out of the country because we won't let them be irresponsible, then good riddance.
    Actually companies are moving out of the United States for a variety of reasons, but largely because it has become an anti business nation.

    There is absolutely no evidence that KeystoneXL is an irresponsible company. Quite the contrary in fact. But these people the Huffington Post apparently supports are protesting it anyway. It is a terribly sad thing to watch, and potentially very dangerous.

    But we Canadians don't mind. We're sending down millions of barrels of oil and can refine it up here as well. It will just cost Americans more and make more money for us. And when you can no longer afford it, we're sure China can. Those interest payments on your debt to them alone should cover their energy costs.

    Keystone Pipeline Project

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Could be -- I don't know anything about Keystone or the pipeline project. OTOH, just weeks before the Exxon pipeline blew out under Yellowstone they assured us that it was completely safe!

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually companies are moving out of the United States for a variety of reasons, but largely because it has become an anti business nation.

    There is absolutely no evidence that KeystoneXL is an irresponsible company. Quite the contrary in fact. But these people the Huffington Post apparently supports are protesting it anyway. It is a terribly sad thing to watch, and potentially very dangerous.

    But we Canadians don't mind. We're sending down millions of barrels of oil and can refine it up here as well. It will just cost Americans more and make more money for us. And when you can no longer afford it, we're sure China can. Those interest payments on your debt to them alone should cover their energy costs.

    Keystone Pipeline Project
    Getting back on topic, do you think global warming is going to improve the business climate?
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Could be -- I don't know anything about Keystone or the pipeline project. OTOH, just weeks before the Exxon pipeline blew out under Yellowstone they assured us that it was completely safe!
    Then continue to stop pipelines, stop building dams, stop nuclear plants, and stop drilling for oil. You're stopping it all and then wonder why your prices go up and availability goes down, and all the while protesting that businesses are moving overseas. Meanwhile you mire yourselves in unsustainable debt.

    Do you see a healthy future in any of this?

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Getting back on topic, do you think global warming is going to improve the business climate?
    I think any good business can adapt, given a level playing field.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually companies are moving out of the United States for a variety of reasons, but largely because it has become an anti business nation.

    There is absolutely no evidence that KeystoneXL is an irresponsible company. Quite the contrary in fact. But these people the Huffington Post apparently supports are protesting it anyway. It is a terribly sad thing to watch, and potentially very dangerous.

    But we Canadians don't mind. We're sending down millions of barrels of oil and can refine it up here as well. It will just cost Americans more and make more money for us. And when you can no longer afford it, we're sure China can. Those interest payments on your debt to them alone should cover their energy costs.

    Keystone Pipeline Project
    In another thread I linked to evidence on how many liberals are unscientific in their thinking and when we compare extreme liberals to extreme conservatives, the irrationality increases for liberals compared to the liberal mean. In other thread I linked to a study which showed that liberals, as a group, are more economically illiterate than moderates and conservatives.

    Mix anti-science and economic ignorance together and what you get is what you're describing.

    Good for Canada that it is developing its resources. Bad for the US that we have such vocal anti-science leftists who are blocking progress and working to increase the national security risk of the US.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I think any good business can adapt, given a level playing field.
    Then you do not have a clue how a 6 degree rise in average global temperature will change life on the planet.

    This may provide an inkling for you:
    Six Degrees Could Change the World | National Geographic Channel
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