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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The science has been there on AGW since 2007. That is when the scientific debate ended. Since that time there has not been a single scientific organization of national or international standing that has held a dissenting view.
    No, scientists are still working hard on the possible consequences of a planet out of control and the The Guardian, a left wing (natch!) British journal, sends out a timely reminder of just where we are headed if we don't follow the words Algore and give him our money so he can continue to spread the message.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Al Gore is not a scientist. He only presents facts and science...




    Science is establish though consensus and peer-preview. We have four decades of data, peer-review, and consensus concluding that global warming is man made. Any who thinks otherwise is just believing lies spun by big Energy and big Coal.



    The only thing that is unclear is why so many people can't see what's right in front of them...the rise in temps is causing a shift in climate. Spring and Fall are disappearing. We will be left with long and hard winters and summers.




    You should really read up on this subject as your post reveals a profound ignorance on this issue.
    Hazlnut has established that volcanoes and natural occurences have no bearing on global warming, it is entirely man-made.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, scientists are still working hard on the possible consequences of a planet out of control and the The Guardian, a left wing (natch!) British journal, sends out a timely reminder of just where we are headed if we don't follow the words Algore and give him our money so he can continue to spread the message.

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    Scientists alway continue to work to challenge/reconfirm previous findings. It is why gravity is still called a theory. But show me the scientific organization of national or international standing that has held a dissenting view of AGW since 2007 to back up your claim that science isn't there on AGW?
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hazlnut has established that volcanoes and natural occurences have no bearing on global warming, it is entirely man-made.
    Through ice core analysis, scientists have compared the volcanic releases during previous warmings to this one and have determined they have not been the forcing in this warming. The scientific consensus is that most of the warming is attributable to man-made sources of CO2.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Through ice core analysis, scientists have compared the volcanic releases during previous warmings to this one and have determined they have not been the forcing in this warming. The scientific consensus is that most of the warming is attributable to man-made sources of CO2.
    Correct. Too many think or is as either or and allow no possibility of both being a factor, but one contributing more htan the other. Most believe man has contributed to an increased warming to the natural cycle.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, Al Gore assigned himself as the chief spokesman for global warming, has made millions in speaking engagements describing the horrors awaiting us, won an Oscar with a movie he made (which now carries warning labels as to its veracity) and was the Democratic vice President of the USA, which means his Democratic followers are going too buy what he is selling, He knows that and profits mightily.
    Meaningless. Absolutely meaningless. What matters is the actual science. Period.

    The science is not yet there. Yu might be quite keen to believe Al Gore but the fact is that there has been a lot of money exchanging hands over the years to come up with predetermined results. At best you should be skeptical.
    Again, Gore has nothing to do with. And the science is fairly clear regardless of Gore. Bringing up Gore is a complete strawman. What is at issue is the scientific consensus and not Gore.

    No, there was every type of spokesperson shilling for cigarettes, including celebrities, just as there is now for Global Warming.


    GW isn't a product. Oil is. The shilling is so you can keep buying and burning oil and gas. You should review the history a little better.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That is simply not true. There is vast agreement on the broad principles of AGW theory. This is all minutely documented in the multiple IPCC reports which represent the single largest organized review of scientific literature on any topic in the history of mankind.
    For the sake of discussion, if everyone buys into the idea that humans are at fault here there are still two questions that need to be answered. And both of them have serious and potentially culture crushing political and economic implications. 1) What can be done about it and by whom? 2) Who is to administer the necessary changes?

    How are you going to convince the peasants who are deforesting South America so they can build farms to feed themselves? How are you going to convince the leadership of China or India who don't care about anything other than gaining an economic upper hand over the west? How are you going to convince the countless tinpot banana republic dictators who shamelessly rape their countries natural resources with old school heavy industry?

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Really? Get ****ing real
    India and China urged to cut emissions | Environment | The Guardian
    Poll: Developed and Emerging Nations Should Cut Emissions
    ‘US and China must reduce emissions 80 percent by 2020’ < STRONGOPINIONS.ORG
    BBC News - Sarkozy backs calls to keep Kyoto
    The Climate Post: While Congress Debates Climate Science, China and Europe Move Ahead | River Network
    Shale gas, emission cuts urged - China.org.cn
    http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...0/6723794.html
    U.S., China urged to curb carbon emissions - US news - Environment - Climate Change - msnbc.com

    You've been lied to. The denialist crowd keeps pointing at China and says "SEE! SEE! NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT CHINA!" They think that if they tell you this often enough, you'll think it's true.

    Here's a challenge: Find one person who has ever said the US should cut emissions but China doesn't have to. Specifically saying that China doesn't have to, because if I happen to mention the US should cut emissions that does not imply I think only the US should cut emissions.

    Edit: One of those links was a sort of open letter to the presidents of both the US and China, here are the signatures:
    Lester Brown, President, Earth Policy Institute
    Rev. Sally G. Bingham, President, The Regeneration Project & Interfaith Power & Light
    Brent Blackwelder, President Emeritus, Friends of the Earth
    David Blittersdorf, President/CEO, AllEarth Renewables, Inc.
    Jan Blittersdorf, President/CEO, NRG Systems, Inc.
    Michael Brune, Executive Director, Sierra Club
    Lisa Daniels, Executive Director, Windustry
    Brock Evans, President, Endangered Species Coalition
    Ross Gelbspan, Author
    Paul Hawken, Author
    Randy Hayes, Executive Director, Foundation Earth & Founder, Rainforest Action Network
    Courtney Hight, Co-Director, Energy Action Coalition
    Julia Butterfly Hill, Co-Founder, The Engage Network*
    Chuck Kutscher, Former Chair, American Solar Energy Society & Principal Engineer, National Renewable Energy Laboratory*
    Eric Lombardi, Executive Director, Eco-Cycle
    Bill McKibben, Founder, 350.org
    Erich Pica, President, Friends of the Earth
    Phil Radford, Executive Director, Greenpeace
    Kieran Suckling, Executive Director, Center for Biological Diversity
    Rebecca Tarbotton, Executive Director, Rainforest Action Network
    Mike Tidwell, Director, Chesapeake Climate Action Network
    James A. Walker, Former President, American Wind Energy Association
    Tom Weis, President, Climate Crisis Solutions
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    For the sake of discussion, if everyone buys into the idea that humans are at fault here there are still two questions that need to be answered. And both of them have serious and potentially culture crushing political and economic implications. 1) What can be done about it and by whom? 2) Who is to administer the necessary changes?

    How are you going to convince the peasants who are deforesting South America so they can build farms to feed themselves? How are you going to convince the leadership of China or India who don't care about anything other than gaining an economic upper hand over the west? How are you going to convince the countless tinpot banana republic dictators who shamelessly rape their countries natural resources with old school heavy industry?
    No. 1 is very simple: reduce CO2 emissions, and as many people as possible. No. 2 isn't particularly difficult either. It doesn't really matter who administers it, so long as the biggest emitter get their own houses in order. Ideally there would be a binding international treaty, but that's not likely to happen.

    The biggest emitters by far are China, the U.S., and the EU, accounting for 55% of global emissions. That's where we need to start. China has a legitimate argument that they should not be held to the same standards as the U.S. and the EU, since we are responsible for the vast majority of man-made CO2 to date.

    What is certain not to work is everyone standing in a circle saying, "you go first", "no, you go first", "no, you go first." We will never have standing to lead on this issue if we continue to do nothing.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    The Gorists are forced to misrepresent and lie in attempts to try and make their case, just as you did here.
    Gorists!

    OMG, now that's a new one.

    So, now, every scientific organization in the world, is made up of "Gorists".

    Sound pretty gory to me.
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