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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, but he is making millions talking about it as though he knows something of the issue.
    Which is meaningless to the debate.

    Again, science is not determined by 'consensus'. The fact is that there are just too many questions being raised about the science involved..
    Didn't say it was determined by, but it does tell us what most the science says. There really are not as many questions as you seem to think there are. You simply choose to believe there are that many questions.

    That's an excellent example! Do you remember the number of doctors and scientists saying that smoking was not detrimental to health, that it was relaxing, that it soothed your throat? Follow the money.
    You might recall in reality it was only those who worked for the tobacco companies who said it was not deterimental to your health. Largely, the consensus said otherwise, that it was unhealthy for you. Tobacco companies successfully convinced the public there was a debate where there really wasn't one, just oil companies are doing now.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There are always questioned raised about science. That's what science is. There are still questions being raised about gravity. Does that mean that gravity is a hoax?

    So far none of the counterarguments against AGW have held water. It's the best theory going ... by a mile.
    I'm not aware of any questions regarding the existence of gravity, at least to the point where it is as controversial as man made global warming. If you want to follow 'the best theories going" then that is up to you, but tax dollars should not be spent on the 'best theories going', nor should laws be enacted on them.

    In fact the Kyoto Treaty, enacted during the height of this silliness, his now been largely ignored and forgotten.. It is rapidly becoming yesterday's theory and we'll soon move on to another scare that needs public money to divert is away from an imminent tragedy.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'm not aware of any questions regarding the existence of gravity, at least to the point where it is as controversial as man made global warming. If you want to follow 'the best theories going" then that is up to you, but tax dollars should not be spent on the 'best theories going', nor should laws be enacted on them.

    In fact the Kyoto Treaty, enacted during the height of this silliness, his now been largely ignored and forgotten.. It is rapidly becoming yesterday's theory and we'll soon move on to another scare that needs public money to divert is away from an imminent tragedy.
    No one seriously claims that gravity doesn't exist, just as no one seriously claims that global warming doesn't exist. In both cases the inquiry surrounds the cause.

    The causes of cancer are also theoretical. Should we not be spending tax dollars on cancer research?

    The bottom line is that you know very little about AGW but you have somehow managed to convince yourself that you know more about it than 97% of the people who have dedicated their lives to studying it.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Um, there are plenty of people saying China needs to cut back emissions too.
    Really? Get ****ing real

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The bottom line is that the real money, the actual money, the tens of billions of dollars already in existence, are on the side of science deniers. All of this hoax nonsens has been funded at one time or another by gargantuan energy companies who stand to lose when people wake up to reality and place stricter enforcement on fossil fuel emissions. In contrast, there is very little green in green energy. It's no different than the tobacco companies and asbestos companies who paid "experts" to testify that there was no link between tobacco/asbestos and cancer. How obvious is it? Some of these companies have even hired the SAME "EXPERTS" that they used to deny the tobacco/cancer connection to deny the CO2/warming connection.

    Stop being a dupe.
    No, mi amigo...YOU are duped

    If you look carefully at the cult that has sprung up around the theory that humans are responsible for the problem and need to take whatever immediate steps to they can to reduce their impact on the Earth's environment, you will find that most of the legitimate researchers disagree on quite a few of the subtleties around how we got to the current state and how we get out of it. They all tend to stand united because the hidden agenda here is that they want to change human society in such a way that it is, for lack of any better term, "more green", and they feel that goal is so important that any means are justified to attain it. Another problem arises when you start talking about the academic research grants and the intricate house of cards that business represents. When you combine those two factors you will find that the folks involved will quite readily design research and experimentation to favor whichever direction the political wind is blowing. Most of the academics will quite conveniently find evidence to support their socio-political beliefs, in this case that America and the SUV should be done away with. If someone with validating credentials speaks out against the popular theory about global warming they are attacked, reassigned, marginalized, their grant money dries up and after a while they end up losing their job.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    No, mi amigo...YOU are duped

    If you look carefully at the cult that has sprung up around the theory that humans are responsible for the problem and need to take whatever immediate steps to they can to reduce their impact on the Earth's environment, you will find that most of the legitimate researchers disagree on quite a few of the subtleties around how we got to the current state and how we get out of it. They all tend to stand united because the hidden agenda here is that they want to change human society in such a way that it is, for lack of any better term, "more green", and they feel that goal is so important that any means are justified to attain it. Another problem arises when you start talking about the academic research grants and the intricate house of cards that business represents. When you combine those two factors you will find that the folks involved will quite readily design research and experimentation to favor whichever direction the political wind is blowing. Most of the academics will quite conveniently find evidence to support their socio-political beliefs, in this case that America and the SUV should be done away with. If someone with validating credentials speaks out against the popular theory about global warming they are attacked, reassigned, marginalized, their grant money dries up and after a while they end up losing their job.
    That is simply not true. There is vast agreement on the broad principles of AGW theory. This is all minutely documented in the multiple IPCC reports which represent the single largest organized review of scientific literature on any topic in the history of mankind.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Santorum expounds on the new GOP God over science preference:

    "Speaking to a group of about 90 people at the Beacon Drive-In in Spartanburg, SC, a popular stop for presidential candidates, Santorum did not mention Gov. Huntsman by name but brought up his fellow candidate’s assertions, made on TV and via Twitter, that the Republican Party would have a “huge problem” if it became hostile to evolution and climate change.


    “We are going through this debate right now by somebody who’s in the Republican field talking about people who believe in certain scientific theories, whether it’s global warming or evolution. And somehow or another if you believe that we are creatures of a loving God, that that is somehow anti-science,” Santorum said. “It’s not anti-science. It’s an affirmation of what we view in the world. Which is, we see God."

    First Read - Santorum: GOP not 'anti-science'

    So it is not that they are anti-science. They are only anti-science with science that conflict with their interpretation of the bible.
    I'm glad he cleared that up!
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

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    Which is meaningless to the debate.
    No, Al Gore assigned himself as the chief spokesman for global warming, has made millions in speaking engagements describing the horrors awaiting us, won an Oscar with a movie he made (which now carries warning labels as to its veracity) and was the Democratic vice President of the USA, which means his Democratic followers are going too buy what he is selling, He knows that and profits mightily.
    Didn't say it was determined by, but it does tell us what most the science says. There really are not as many questions as you seem to think there are. You simply choose to believe there are that many questions.
    The science is not yet there. Yu might be quite keen to believe Al Gore but the fact is that there has been a lot of money exchanging hands over the years to come up with predetermined results. At best you should be skeptical.
    You might recall in reality it was only those who worked for the tobacco companies who said it was not deterimental to your health. Largely, the consensus said otherwise, that it was unhealthy for you. Tobacco companies successfully convinced the public there was a debate where there really wasn't one, just oil companies are doing now.
    No, there was every type of spokesperson shilling for cigarettes, including celebrities, just as there is now for Global Warming.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No one seriously claims that gravity doesn't exist, just as no one seriously claims that global warming doesn't exist. In both cases the inquiry surrounds the cause.
    We can discuss the causes of gravity bit I don''t see how this relates to global warming.
    The causes of cancer are also theoretical. Should we not be spending tax dollars on cancer research?
    Cancer is real. It is not theoretical. We should invest in cancer research because we know cancer is real. We do not know that man made global warming is real. Try to stay on topic as your attempt at analogies don't make sense.

    The bottom line is that you know very little about AGW but you have somehow managed to convince yourself that you know more about it than 97% of the people who have dedicated their lives to studying it.
    The bottom line is that "WE" know little of AGW. The jury is out, and in fact more and more people who have an interest in the subject are now walking away from it..

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The science is not yet there.
    The science has been there on AGW since 2007. That is when the scientific debate ended. Since that time there has not been a single scientific organization of national or international standing that has held a dissenting view.
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