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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you're looking for goofy theories Al Gore certainly has at least one for you.


    Science is not established through a vote. If that was the case you could have once made the arguemnt that the sun did revolve around the earth because the science of the day claimed this was the case.

    But money is disappearing into these claims whole the science is, at best, uncertain and unclear.


    Again, science is not decided by a minority or majority. It is decided by science, evidence, and so on. Not by a show of hands.



    The science is not yet clear and hundreds and thousands of foolish and unsubstantiated claims are being made without any evidence to support them. Again, you can believe whatever nonsense you choose, but not when public funds get involved into this silliness. Science must be exact and the evidence beyond dispute
    Al Gore is not a scientist. No one suggested a vote either, only that the overwhelming majority of scientist, those specific to the field, agree that there is GW, and that man plays a significant role in this. We good go with the guy hold the divining rod, but ususally we go with the science. And we do look at what is agreed upon within the scientific ciommunity, whcih means consensus means more than the fringe.

    Do you remember the old tobacco debates, when their shills claimed the science was in yet, that there was debate? How did that work out? Sadly old tactics just get repeated because you can fool some of the people all of the time.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Al Gore is not a scientist.
    What about...Al Gore, the prophet spouting pseudo-science?

    I'm (as well as many others) understandably are wary of the Al Gore hysteria crowd because I have strong concerns about their motives. I think that there are folks who are just concerned with the science of it all, but I think they are being coached/funded/channeled or otherwise manipulated to come up with findings that will further certain social/political/economic agendas that are at odds with the continued well being of the United States of America.

    Kinda reminds me reminds me a bit about nuclear disarmament arguments, you'd hear back in the 80's. The left I hate America crowd was screaming at the top of their lungs for the western democracies to dismantle their nuclear arsenals, while no similar request was being made of the Soviet Union. WTF???

    Fast forward 30 years and the I hate America assholes want western democracies to charge off of a proverbial economic cliff as a knee jerk reaction to the probability that human industrialization is contributing to the Earth's climate change cycles by having everyone make the leap of faith that human civilization can retool itself in such a way that will reverse the process. Yet, even though China surpassed the United States as the world's largest emitter of CO2 in 2006, no indignation is shown at their cavalier attitude towards climate change or any other environmental issue for that matter.....again WTF???? Indeed China, India, and just about every region besides North America and western Europe is conveniently ignored by "I hate America" dumbasses global warming gurus. ...The reality is that if you do make that leap of faith and agree that we can somehow undo the effect human society is having on climate change, attacking the problem by draconian means in just Europe and America isn't going to accomplish **** but remove America from it's superpower status. Europe is already economically irrelevant on the world stage, so comparatively speaking they have little to lose with such a grand experiment.


    Global warming hysteria is big business now, and fortunes stand to me made if government regulations can be massaged in the right way.

    Thats the bottom line

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What about...Al Gore, the prophet spouting pseudo-science?

    I'm (as well as many others) understandably are wary of the Al Gore hysteria crowd because I have strong concerns about their motives. I think that there are folks who are just concerned with the science of it all, but I think they are being coached/funded/channeled or otherwise manipulated to come up with findings that will further certain social/political/economic agendas that are at odds with the continued well being of the United States of America.

    Kinda reminds me reminds me a bit about nuclear disarmament arguments, you'd hear back in the 80's. The left I hate America crowd was screaming at the top of their lungs for the western democracies to dismantle their nuclear arsenals, while no similar request was being made of the Soviet Union. WTF???

    Fast forward 30 years and the I hate America assholes want western democracies to charge off of a proverbial economic cliff as a knee jerk reaction to the probability that human industrialization is contributing to the Earth's climate change cycles by having everyone make the leap of faith that human civilization can retool itself in such a way that will reverse the process. Yet, even though China surpassed the United States as the world's largest emitter of CO2 in 2006, no indignation is shown at their cavalier attitude towards climate change or any other environmental issue for that matter.....again WTF???? Indeed China, India, and just about every region besides North America and western Europe is conveniently ignored by "I hate America" dumbasses global warming gurus. ...The reality is that if you do make that leap of faith and agree that we can somehow undo the effect human society is having on climate change, attacking the problem by draconian means in just Europe and America isn't going to accomplish **** but remove America from it's superpower status. Europe is already economically irrelevant on the world stage, so comparatively speaking they have little to lose with such a grand experiment.


    Global warming hysteria is big business now, and fortunes stand to me made if government regulations can be massaged in the right way.

    Thats the bottom line
    Um, there are plenty of people saying China needs to cut back emissions too.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That is an absurd statement and you wouldn't have made it if you had even a casual understanding of the subject.
    No, that's par for the course for Councilman.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you're looking for goofy theories Al Gore certainly has at least one for you.
    Al Gore is not a scientist. He only presents facts and science...


    Science is not established through a vote. If that was the case you could have once made the arguemnt that the sun did revolve around the earth because the science of the day claimed this was the case.
    Science is establish though consensus and peer-preview. We have four decades of data, peer-review, and consensus concluding that global warming is man made. Any who thinks otherwise is just believing lies spun by big Energy and big Coal.

    But money is disappearing into these claims whole the science is, at best, uncertain and unclear.
    The only thing that is unclear is why so many people can't see what's right in front of them...the rise in temps is causing a shift in climate. Spring and Fall are disappearing. We will be left with long and hard winters and summers.


    Again, science is not decided by a minority or majority. It is decided by science, evidence, and so on. Not by a show of hands.
    You should really read up on this subject as your post reveals a profound ignorance on this issue.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Global warming hysteria is big business now, and fortunes stand to me made if government regulations can be massaged in the right way.

    Thats the bottom line
    The bottom line is that the real money, the actual money, the tens of billions of dollars already in existence, are on the side of science deniers. All of this hoax nonsens has been funded at one time or another by gargantuan energy companies who stand to lose when people wake up to reality and place stricter enforcement on fossil fuel emissions. In contrast, there is very little green in green energy. It's no different than the tobacco companies and asbestos companies who paid "experts" to testify that there was no link between tobacco/asbestos and cancer. How obvious is it? Some of these companies have even hired the SAME "EXPERTS" that they used to deny the tobacco/cancer connection to deny the CO2/warming connection.

    Stop being a dupe.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Al Gore is not a scientist.
    No, but he is making millions talking about it as though he knows something of the issue.

    No one suggested a vote either, only that the overwhelming majority of scientist, those specific to the field, agree that there is GW, and that man plays a significant role in this. We good go with the guy hold the divining rod, but ususally we go with the science. And we do look at what is agreed upon within the scientific ciommunity, whcih means consensus means more than the fringe.
    Again, science is not determined by 'consensus'. The fact is that there are just too many questions being raised about the science involved..
    Do you remember the old tobacco debates, when their shills claimed the science was in yet, that there was debate? How did that work out? Sadly old tactics just get repeated because you can fool some of the people all of the time.
    That's an excellent example! Do you remember the number of doctors and scientists saying that smoking was not detrimental to health, that it was relaxing, that it soothed your throat? Follow the money.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post

    Science is establish though consensus and peer-preview. We have four decades of data, peer-review, and consensus concluding that global warming is man made. Any who thinks otherwise is just believing lies spun by big Energy and big Coal.
    The only thing that is unclear is why so many people can't see what's right in front of them...the rise in temps is causing a shift in climate. Spring and Fall are disappearing. We will be left with long and hard winters and summers. You should really read up on this subject as your post reveals a profound ignorance on this issue.
    The issue is hardly settled and there are certainly misleading claims being made by those who support the idea of man made global warming.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Again, science is not determined by 'consensus'. The fact is that there are just too many questions being raised about the science involved..
    There are always questioned raised about science. That's what science is. There are still questions being raised about gravity. Does that mean that gravity is a hoax?

    So far none of the counterarguments against AGW have held water. It's the best theory going ... by a mile.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There are always questioned raised about science. That's what science is. There are still questions being raised about gravity. Does that mean that gravity is a hoax?

    So far none of the counterarguments against AGW have held water. It's the best theory going ... by a mile.
    Exactly, in fact there has not been a scientific organization of national or international standing that has held a dissenting view of AGW since 2007.
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