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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    That's why they're creationists.
    In order to be a creationist, one has to have a belief associated with something being created. What you describe has nothing to do with creation, therefore, your invented application of the word "creationist" is nonsense.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There are real problems with the IQ test, so I'd be a little skeptical on people drawing too many conclusons based on them alone.
    The entire construct of IQ has been questioned for quite some time. .

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The entire construct of IQ has been questioned for quite some time. .
    True, ture. . .

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ahh, the religion of the denier. So clear, so contrary to scientific consensus. But, faith works that way for some.

    All evidence is to the contrary, not that you know what evidence is or what scientific standards are, but you're free to indulge in the religion of global warming all you want. At least you're not running for office and trying to force your religion down other people's throats with various Green-Laws (new new Blue Law), so have a good day

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    All evidence is to the contrary, not that you know what evidence is or what scientific standards are, but you're free to indulge in the religion of global warming all you want. At least you're not running for office and trying to force your religion down other people's throats with various Green-Laws (new new Blue Law), so have a good day
    We have scientific consensus. Ignore all you want as that is the definition of religion.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We have scientific consensus. Ignore all you want as that is the definition of religion.


    "… a deep strain of anti-intellectualism runs rampant in the contemporary GOP; a substantial percentage refuses to even believe what we already know, empirically speaking, about the biological roots of our existence. According to an ’08 Gallup poll, 60 percent of grassroots Republicans agree with the statement that “God created humans as is, within the last 10,000 years.” If they believe that, why would they respect the scientists who have charted global warming?"
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    While this bodes well for Perry's chances in the GOP primary, it will certainly be an easily drawn distinction between the candidates next November.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    All evidence is to the contrary, not that you know what evidence is or what scientific standards are, but you're free to indulge in the religion of global warming all you want. At least you're not running for office and trying to force your religion down other people's throats with various Green-Laws (new new Blue Law), so have a good day
    "All evidence is to the contrary" is just sticking your goddamned head in the sand. Some of the most dishonest bull**** in debate history. Your post is making the irony meter redline.

    If you're so confident, feel free to step down to the environment forum and prove us all wrong. It must be easy, right, since all evidence is to the contrary.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "All evidence is to the contrary" is just sticking your goddamned head in the sand. Some of the most dishonest bull**** in debate history. Your post is making the irony meter redline.
    I think he meant "all evidence save the literally tens of thousands of pages or peer reviewed research supporting AGW theory." You've got to read between the lines.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think he meant "all evidence save the literally tens of thousands of pages or peer reviewed research supporting AGW theory." You've got to read between the lines.
    Never ceases to amaze me how well people have been lead down the wrong road on this one. I actually understand AGW skepticism to some degree, a significant amount of effort has been put into muddying the waters. What continues to really floor me is that people are actually still having discussions on evolution. Good God religion can narrow someone's view sometimes... (pun intended) Young-earth creationism especially. Granted, there has been quite a bit of effort put into trying to "scientifically" prove YEC, but the proof that the earth is older is just so glaringly obvious that I have difficulty grasping how people manage to fall for YEC. It's literally in the same category as "is the world flat? TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    So much for the rock-solid consensus on the accuracy of Global Climate Models. Oops.


    CERN's 8,000 scientists may not be able to find the hypothetical Higgs boson, but they have made an important contribution to climate physics, prompting climate models to be revised. . . .

    Climate models will have to be revised, confirms CERN in supporting literature (pdf):

    "[I]t is clear that the treatment of aerosol formation in climate models will need to be substantially revised, since all models assume that nucleation is caused by these vapours [sulphuric acid and ammonia] and water alone.

    The work involves over 60 scientists in 17 countries.

    Veteran science editor Nigel Calder, who brought the theory to wide public attention with the book The Chilling Stars, co-authored with the father of the theory Henrik Svensmark, has an explanation and background on his blog, here, and offers possible reasons on why the research, mooted in the late 1990s, has taken so long.

    Svensmark, who is no longer involved with the CERN experiment, says he believes the solar-cosmic ray factor is just one of four factors in climate. The other three are: volcanoes, a "regime shift" that took place in 1977, and residual anthropogenic components.

    When Dr Kirkby first described the theory in 1998, he suggested cosmic rays "will probably be able to account for somewhere between a half and the whole of the increase in the Earth's temperature that we have seen in the last century."


    To the points I made earlier in this thread. Climate Modeling is not science. We understand quite well some of, in fact, most of the isolated processes, but how they all interact is a HUGELY complex affair.

    Having climate scientists advocating for public policy is what has tainted their reputation (notwithstanding their trying to pass off modeling as science) - they've traded on their authority by telling the public that the science is settled. Ooops. Not really.

    To the last bolded statement - if we're going to play a game of which expert to listen to, it behooves us to note that the expert who is correct in his statement on a matter should have more authority than an expert who is incorrect on a matter. Further experimentation will give us more information, but the point still stands - the science is not settled and if climate models were indeed science, then this report has just falsified an entire body of work. Now that's impressive science.

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