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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    IQ tests fail as a measure of genetic intelligence. The Flynn effect is solid proof against it. The constant increase in IQ scores over the last hundred years shouldn't be possible, as there has been no meaningful genetic changes in that time period. The reality is that the test is flawed and doesn't actually measure anything other than one's ability to take IQ tests.
    There are many shortcomings with IQ tests. However, we cannot discount them entirely because the measure only certain specific cognitive abilities, such as pattern recognition. Certainly we can all agree that IQ tests are not perfect, but neither are they meaningless.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We have gotten taller during that time period, why is not feasible that IQ scores increased as well?

    "Skeletons and written records show that human beings today are inches taller than humans just a century or two ago."

    Read more: Why Are People Taller Today Than Yesterday? - TIME
    That's due to environmental factors - namely improved nutrition.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Hate to break it to you Deuce but the theory of man/everything evolving from a single cell is real and very much part of the evolution theory.

    My use of the term “man from monkey” is just as amusing to agnostics like me who think people like you are fools for what you believe and to make fun of them as well.

    Sounds like you and I agree on this issue other than the fact that you felt the need to insult me by comparing me to a redneck and dumb people.

    If you don’t think life evolved from a single cell or whatever twist you want to put on it, be sure to clarify.
    You said man from monkey, not man from unidentified single-cell organism.
    You said "care to explain" as if this was a legitimate question you thought evolution couldn't answer, or that it was a hole in the theory of evolution.
    Are you saying your question was misleading?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Ahh, but the existence of limited evolution doesn’t rule out the existence of God.
    Not a all. It does however contradict a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis.

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    Care to explain why monkeys have stopped evolving into men?
    Monkeys never evolved into men (or women for that matter). What happened was that an ancestral species of old-world monkey evolved into an ape-like species about 30 million years ago. This species then then diversified into the many ape species that are extant on Earth today as well as those that are extinct over a period of 10s of millions of years. You belong to one of those species, Homo sapiens, which diverged from it's most recent common ancestor with other apes about 5-7 million years ago.

    Remember - you're an ape, not a monkey (monkeys have tails).

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Where are all of those cross species specimens that prove man came from monkeys?
    Well, I guess you mean the fossils that show we share an evolutionary history with APES, such as...

    Australopithecus from 2-4 MYA or...

    One of the more recent finds (2006) of a truly ancient (6 MYO) ancestor,Ardipithicus .

    My favorite though is actually something more like the MRCA to all primates, nicknamed IDA found in 2009 ida_fossil_pictures.jpg (Google Darwinius masillae for more information)

    In reality however, there are hundreds of fossils that provide evidence of the evolution of humans from ancestral ape species. Wikipedia has an exhaustive list here

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Evolution, as it was taught when I was in grade school, is a pile of warm excrement based upon half truth and half religion, just as the current AGW theories are.
    No, you just make s*** up and pretend opinion matters as much as actual scientific research.

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    BTW, I am an agnostic on all three issues, and just as smart as any of you.
    If by smart you mean intellectually capable, I don't doubt you. If you mean smart as scientifically well-informed, I have evidence to the contrary.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    No I wasn't. My text book had this same image in it:

    Attachment 67115076
    Now you're just dating yourself... Believe it or not, science has advanced a lot in the last 30+ years since your high school textbook was written.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Not a all. It does however contradict a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis.



    Monkeys never evolved into men (or women for that matter). What happened was that an ancestral species of old-world monkey evolved into an ape-like species about 30 million years ago. This species then then diversified into the many ape species that are extant on Earth today as well as those that are extinct over a period of 10s of millions of years. You belong to one of those species, Homo sapiens, which diverged from it's most recent common ancestor with other apes about 5-7 million years ago.

    Remember - you're an ape, not a monkey (monkeys have tails).


    While life has resurged after mass extinctions, there hasn't been any evolution of intelligent life except us

    If evolution of intelligent life was so easy a process, why don't we see human equivalent birds, reptiles, cetaceans, felines, etc?

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Very Nice AdamT.
    Selectivley Plagiarizing, or more accurately, withholding the Link to be able to MISLEAD the board by 'short-quoting' it.

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    This is Underhanded and Unacceptable posting practice.
    You know, we could discuss the meaning of the term "species" for a whole long thread of it's own. And we could even fight over funny Latin names old dead white dudes gave these species... but what would it matter?

    The thing I know the most about is prokaryotes... and hell - they have no problem conjugating with a member of an entierly different kingdom! Species smecies.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Let's try an experiment.

    You find a drug that works only on people whose names start with the letter A.

    I will find a drug that works especially well for African-Americans.


    First treatment specifically for African Americans with heart failure

    BiDil® (isosorbide dinitrate/hydralazine hydrochloride) is a medicine for the treatment of heart failure in African Americans that has been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
    You're conditions aren't fair: you tell me I must find a drug that works ONLY for people whose names begin with the letter A, yet your task is only to find a drug that works "especially well" for African Americans.

    I posit that it is entirely possible that a drug could be more effective for people with only A names. Just because of the stochastic nature of population genetics, as well as ethno-cultural naming patterns, I bet significant genetic differences could be found among groups of people based solely on name. Obviously, this is just a conjecture, but it would make for an interesting study.

    More importantly... you have provided excellent defenses for almost all of your assertions, regarding both the heritability of intelligence and the existence of clearly identifiable genetic markers of race. In doing so, you have earned the grudging respect of myself and others.

    However, you have not yet provided a reference which supports your average racial IQs you posted earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The IQ literature shows the following for group mean IQ: Ashkenazi Jew, 115; Northeast Asian., 105; Whites, 100; Hispanic, 89; African-American, 85.
    I feel that providing a scientific reference for this rather extraordinary claim is crucial to your credibility.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Certainly not true.

    There are measurable racial differences in such things as muscle fibers and anthropometry. The differences are of course probabilistic, but that's a far cry from claiming them "useless."
    I accept that the word "useless" was an overstatement on my part. You did however identify the point I was attempting to make - that it's purely probabilistic. My contention is that there are probably significant genetic differences that will become apparent from the lumping together of disparate groups based on any characteristic - even what letter their name begins with.

    Here's an example your post reminded me of: it would be correct but misleading to say that most marathon winners are of African heritage. It would be more useful to describe them as Kenyans.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You don't have to bend reality or reject science to have faith.
    But you can't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible without rejecting science.
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