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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So, there are many. Why do you jump to the conclusion that grossly "oversimplified" racial distintions are useless?
    Because it's about as useful as putting together people based on what letter their name starts with. The point is that population groups that are genetically similar can look very different.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is it a virtue to accept such things on faith, with no proof?
    One can be very analytical when it comes to religion...the kind of guy that needs proof. He can never really understand when it comes to faith. But for me, faith is enough.

    Do you ever just sit back and watch a sunset, or a huge thunderstorm, or marvel at the sheer size of a huge hurricane in satellite photos, or wonder how the moon controls the tides from way out there, or how something as simple as a tree can be so complex, etc., etc.?????

    Just awesome

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Your statement implied that because the theory is considered a scientific theory, we should trust it as we would the theory of gravity because it is also a scientific theory
    This is still an error on your part.

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    The fact that gravity (and germ) theory are also scientific theories is irrelevant. It's only pointed out by you and others so as to say "to question evolution is to question gravity." This makes no sense; one has little or nothing to do with the other.
    IT is still to show that not all theories mean something that we are unsure about. Theory has an additional meaning in addition to that such as in teh cases of gravity and evolution.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Religion is a form of mass insanity.
    Do you believe in an infinite universe, all things are possible?

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Do you believe in an infinite universe, all things are possible?
    Just for the record, theres a difference between believing there may be a god, and believing in wild stories of Jewish carpenters rising from the dead...

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Very Nice AdamT.
    Selectivley Plagiarizing, or more accurately, withholding the Link to be able to MISLEAD the board by 'short-quoting' it.

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    This is Underhanded and Unacceptable posting practice.
    Um, the full quote you included adds nothing. It does not establish that each breed of dog is a separate species, as you speciously claimed. I think it's pretty apparent that I wasn't plagiarizing, as I didn't remove the footnote numbers.

    [EDIT: my apologies. I misread your original post. I thought you were saying that every breed is a different species -- not all breeds are one species.]
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Do you believe in an infinite universe, all things are possible?
    I don't think that there is sufficient evidence to conclude one way or another that the universe is infinite. And no, I don't think that all things are possible.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    One can be very analytical when it comes to religion...the kind of guy that needs proof. He can never really understand when it comes to faith. But for me, faith is enough.

    Do you ever just sit back and watch a sunset, or a huge thunderstorm, or marvel at the sheer size of a huge hurricane in satellite photos, or wonder how the moon controls the tides from way out there, or how something as simple as a tree can be so complex, etc., etc.?????

    Just awesome
    yes, the marvels of nature do speak to a creator. They don't prove it, but it is difficult to see how all of the great things we see in this world just happened with no reason or intelligent guidance.

    I think god created us, but then we created many gods. I can't prove that of course, but it seems more likely than simply believing that everything just sprang into being on its own.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Because it's about as useful as putting together people based on what letter their name starts with.
    Let's try an experiment.

    You find a drug that works only on people whose names start with the letter A.

    I will find a drug that works especially well for African-Americans.


    First treatment specifically for African Americans with heart failure

    BiDil® (isosorbide dinitrate/hydralazine hydrochloride) is a medicine for the treatment of heart failure in African Americans that has been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Sorry, that's a no-go. Here's what's going on: We can indeed raise IQ in young children because we can totally dominate their environment and so we find that the IQ gains last only so long as that environmental control is maintained. Any parent on this board can tell you that as their children get older the parent has less and less control over how their children lead their lives. By the time that the children become teenagers, parents and educators can never again control so much of the child's environment and all early gains have been completely lost.
    This is at least somewhat untrue. The Abcedarian study he references purports to show lasting differences in mean IQ up to the age of 21, although the environmental control was in place for just the first five years (with some variation, but interventions beyond this period were shown ineffective). Thus, some lasting differences were maintained for quite some time, long after environmental controls were in place. It's still not clear whether the resulting differences are due to a change in "intelligence" or whether is results from some other latent disposition. The effect sizes do decrease over time - I don't know if further followup tests are planned, but such tests may the difference disappearing altogether in another 8-10 years.

    Still, whether the difference can be truly attributed to a credible boost in intelligence seems to me rather academic. The study has found quite meaningful differences in real-life outcomes as a result of the early intervention. By young adulthood, the treatment group was more likely to maintain education or hold skilled jobs, had a lower incidence of teenage pregancy, and were three times as likely to attend college or university.

    It should be noted that the variance between groups was almost entirely due to early verbal development - talking and reading to kids from a young age. And, as with most of these studies of early intervention, the results only generalize to children of low income, black families.

    I do agree with your larger point that most experts on intelligence do not believe such programs produce lasting, meaningfully significant gains in the purported construct.
    Last edited by Taylor; 08-20-11 at 05:12 PM.

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