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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    You are part of the group that promotes the HOAX I see. You are just plain wrong and want to continue the HOAX.
    May I ask why it is always a HOAX and not just a hoax? Is it just that HOAXY? or is it some kind of acronym?
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually it's not an inflated number at all. It was the result of a survey sent out to more than 3000 earth scientists: 97% of active climatologists agree that human activity is causing global warming : Deltoid.
    I have a lot of sympathy for HS science teachers. Apparently it takes a lot more time that they're given to instill into the minds of their students a basic knowledge of how science works and instead they're tasked with trying to teach science facts which the students are having difficulty anchoring into a cohesive framework.

    You are a classic example of how science education has failed in America. One of the most fundamental attributes of the scientific method is that SCIENCE IS NOT DETERMINED BY A VOTE OF POPULARITY. You trotting out poll numbers means jack ****.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Yes... but I must admit the real problem here is not one that can be fixed. There's no way to have a truly controlled Earth climate system to compare experiments to, since we've only got one. So... we have to settle for models which are... well models.
    Run a model. Make a prediction with a long enough time factor. Lock it away. Come back 30 years later and see how well the model worked.

    Every time a scientist declares GCM to be effective and we find that a new process is either discovered or specified in greater detail, then logically we can conclude that previous GCM that were said to be bulletproof, were in fact, not bulletproof.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    [*]Monozygotic twins raised separately following adoption show a correlation of 0.72 for intelligence; that is, one twin’s intelligence strongly predicts the other’s, despite their different rearing environments;[*]Psychometric g has been shown to be highly heritable in many studies, even more so than specific cognitive abilities (h2 = 0.6–0.8);[/LIST]
    Those are solid correlations indeed, and certainly point to a strong genetic influence over g. I'm not so clear about exactly what g is, but I assume it's some standard measure of intelligence - point granted.

    Clearly, intelligence has a high heritability. But... to tie that to race in the traditional sense is still meaningless because of the disparate genetic populations that would be categorized together as single "races."
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So there you go! You're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a fish-squirrel! Congratulations!
    Science Damn You!

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Run a model. Make a prediction with a long enough time factor. Lock it away. Come back 30 years later and see how well the model worked.

    Every time a scientist declares GCM to be effective and we find that a new process is either discovered or specified in greater detail, then logically we can conclude that previous GCM that were said to be bulletproof, were in fact, not bulletproof.
    Surely you grant that the models become better predictors as they assimilate more data, refine values for constants, gain higher resolution, and develop newer systems of equations? At some point, do the models then become adequately predictive to direct policy? I believe they have already.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I have a lot of sympathy for HS science teachers. Apparently it takes a lot more time that they're given to instill into the minds of their students a basic knowledge of how science works
    you have no idea, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    and instead they're tasked with trying to teach science facts which the students are having difficulty anchoring into a cohesive framework.
    The standardized test results of my students will be 50% of my performance evaluation this year. You better believe there will be lots of memorization, since a large portion of the test items are simple recall.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You are a classic example of how science education has failed in America. One of the most fundamental attributes of the scientific method is that SCIENCE IS NOT DETERMINED BY A VOTE OF POPULARITY. You trotting out poll numbers means jack ****.
    so true... and that's one of the reasons people disrespect scientific findings as if it were just another "opinion." - Sorry AT, but he has a point.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I have a lot of sympathy for HS science teachers. Apparently it takes a lot more time that they're given to instill into the minds of their students a basic knowledge of how science works and instead they're tasked with trying to teach science facts which the students are having difficulty anchoring into a cohesive framework.

    You are a classic example of how science education has failed in America. One of the most fundamental attributes of the scientific method is that SCIENCE IS NOT DETERMINED BY A VOTE OF POPULARITY. You trotting out poll numbers means jack ****.
    Well, that's all very pithy and as usual, not quite right. On the one hand it's certainly true that scientific discoveries are made by individuals, but on the other hand, it is ultimately a consensus of the scientific community that determines whether a purported discovery is valid or a crock of sh*t. Copernicus discovered that the the earth wasn't the center of the universe, but we might not know it if Galileo hadn't championed his discovery and convinced the scientific community that Copernicus was right.

    Certainly science is all about challenging accepted wisdom, and that is a necessary part of discovery. IF you are actually a scientist with the advanced training required to rationally challenge the accepted wisdom. But it is the height of folly for someone who is not so trained (you or I, for instance) to imagine that we can know better than the vast majority of experts who have dedicated their lives to this pursuit. In fact the modern day climate change deniers, who oppose the science on political and/or religious grounds, very much mirror the flat earthers who opposed the heliocentric theory of the galaxy in Galileo's time.

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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
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    Read more: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy' - Darren Samuelsohn - POLITICO.com


    I have already contributed to his campaign once, and this makes me want to send the guy another check. However, since reason and sanity are not virtues Republican Primary Voters want in a candidate this year, I don't think this will help him out any.
    If he thinks global warming is for real, then yes, he's crazy.
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    Re: Huntsman on evolution, warming: 'Call me crazy'

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That is an absurd statement and you wouldn't have made it if you had even a casual understanding of the subject.

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    Its not an absurd statement as it is quite predictable as very, very few Regressives have even a casual understanding of the subject.

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