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    U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

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    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton this morning called on Syrian President Assad to step down and leave office. This announcement was endorsed by the European Union. The U.N. Security Council will also meet later today to discuss the situation.

    In a written statement released from the White House this morning, Pres. Obama cited the Syrian people as motivating factor in the decision, "The future of Syria must be determined by its people, but President Bashar al-Assad is standing in their way." Obama also said the U.S. would not intervene in any transition of power and asked other countries not to impose their will upon Syria.
    Looks like they finally said what the Administration has been dancing around for months.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    I support the statement.

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    Well this isn't surprising, it was going to come sooner or later. However, I am worried seeing as how the West may be planning to intervene in Syria ("Beachhead for an Attack on Iran": NATO is planning a Military Campaign against Syria) (A "Humanitarian War" on Syria? Military Escalation. Towards a Broader Middle East-Central Asian War?). Even though the US has been saying that they won't intervene in Syria (Clinton Says U.S. Won't Intervene in Syria, Sees Progress in Libya Fight - Bloomberg) I still am not entirely believing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well this isn't surprising, it was going to come sooner or later. However, I am worried seeing as how the West may be planning to intervene in Syria ("Beachhead for an Attack on Iran": NATO is planning a Military Campaign against Syria) (A "Humanitarian War" on Syria? Military Escalation. Towards a Broader Middle East-Central Asian War?). Even though the US has been saying that they won't intervene in Syria (Clinton Says U.S. Won't Intervene in Syria, Sees Progress in Libya Fight - Bloomberg) I still am not entirely believing them.
    I seriously doubt the American electorate has the stomach for a fourth military conflict on their hands, the Administration would basically be shooting itself in the foot at this point. Sanctions and freezing financial assets seem to be as far as the Administration is willing to go at this point.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    If Obama sent troops to Syria, he would lose what remaining support he has from the American left. Not to mention, his debt reduction talks would lose even more validity.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power | C-SPAN



    Looks like they finally said what the Administration has been dancing around for months.
    I'm sure Assad is shaking in boots, too. He's in Damascus, right now, laughing and saying, "or what?!?".
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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    I support the statement but i will not and we should not support troops being sent in...


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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    While I applaud the statement I have to wonder why it took so long make it.

    I have learned that it's prudent to look beyond the surface of what Obama says and try to figure out what is really in play and how does Obama benefit politically from what he says, and while your try to figure that out, keep your eye on what he's actually up to, because the two things seldom match.

    The very last thing we need is to become embroiled in another military conflict because since WW-II our politicians have been unwilling to face the reality that to win a War you have you have to be willing to do whatever is needed to win.

    In dealing with with the threats we face today from a Gorilla or Insurgent conflict you have to take the gloves of and do what ever it takes using what ever you have to to win and you can only win by killing the enemy, and never, ever fall for peace overtures because the enemy will do or say anything to stall so they can regroup because they are not going to get all touchy feely and use diplomacy end a conflict.

    They know people like Americans don't have the stomach for a long War of attrition, so they hit and run blinding into the civilian population using them as a shield.

    I dealing with the Taliban or any Shiite based group are obligated to do or say anything to kill the infidels,and brothers and Sisters that is you and me.

    The normal people in places like Afghanistan don't want to live under the feet of the Radical Shia based Taliban because they don't allow freedom of anything and are as repressive as the day is long. So what we have to do is look for a way to get those people on our side and when we go in to a town we have to do it with over whelming force and go door, to daoor seaching for the bad guys and their weapons.

    Just a thought.

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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    In dealing with with the threats we face today from a Gorilla or Insurgent conflict you have to take the gloves of and do what ever it takes using what ever you have to to win and you can only win by killing the enemy, and never, ever fall for peace overtures because the enemy will do or say anything to stall so they can regroup because they are not going to get all touchy feely and use diplomacy end a conflict.


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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    Empty words for empty-brained people.
    Assad will never back down, and those kinds of diplomatic condemnations do nothing to stop dictators.
    It's just like condemning North Korea. Has absolutely no effect, nothing. Might as well as commend Assad
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