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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Empty words for empty-brained people.
    Assad will never back down, and those kinds of diplomatic condemnations do nothing to stop dictators.
    It's just like condemning North Korea. Has absolutely no effect, nothing. Might as well as commend Assad
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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    So if asking nicely for Assad to leave does not work what next... call in the French, the UN, and see if NATO can spare some time between Libyan sorties??
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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    Propaganda attempt with the hope that a more favorable leader will get into power.
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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I seriously doubt the American electorate has the stomach for a fourth military conflict on their hands, the Administration would basically be shooting itself in the foot at this point. Sanctions and freezing financial assets seem to be as far as the Administration is willing to go at this point.
    Yes, as well as engaging in covert operations to undermine and destabilize Syria (WikiLeaks Cables Show US Strategy for Regime Change in Syria as Protesters are Massacred | The Dissenter).
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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    This kind of statement is NOT a good idea. If Assad is toppled, it won't be because of anything Obama said...in fact, it'll give Assad a nice soundbyte to show how the protesters are puppets of the United States and how he's standing up to imperialists. And if Assad holds on, then our relationship with Syria is icier than ever.

    What is the upside to Obama issuing a statement like this?
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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    It is a pretty weak statement. Have they already tried the “stop it already” statement? If so, have they pulled out the “we really mean it this time” statement? How about the “we’re getting mad” statement?

    If all else fails, they could have an “Assad is a jerk” vote in the UN and then call him a jerk if it passes.

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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Empty words for empty-brained people.
    Assad will never back down, and those kinds of diplomatic condemnations do nothing to stop dictators.
    It's just like condemning North Korea. Has absolutely no effect, nothing. Might as well as commend Assad
    I agree with you for the most part, but i'd like to add that it's better to be real and say something than to skirt around the issue and say nothing at all.

    I'd also point out that obama signed an executive order introducing new sanctions, and while we could argue about the effectiveness of such sanctions, it's still doing something as opposed to just pure lip service. And at this point it's about all he can do.
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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This kind of statement is NOT a good idea. If Assad is toppled, it won't be because of anything Obama said...in fact, it'll give Assad a nice soundbyte to show how the protesters are puppets of the United States and how he's standing up to imperialists. And if Assad holds on, then our relationship with Syria is icier than ever.

    What is the upside to Obama issuing a statement like this?
    That's actually one of the reasons they hesitated so long, I suspect. In the end, I suppose they just decided that they had to "keep it real" and finally just say what they've been meaning to say for a long time, rather than engaging in doublespeak and dancing around the issue. It may be a symbolic shift between saying "we condemn whatever's going on over there" to saying "Assad needs to go," but it's still a significant shift in message nonetheless.

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It is a pretty weak statement. Have they already tried the “stop it already” statement? If so, have they pulled out the “we really mean it this time” statement? How about the “we’re getting mad” statement?

    If all else fails, they could have an “Assad is a jerk” vote in the UN and then call him a jerk if it passes.
    In all honesty i think they already did something to that effect. And yes, I would agree that it's a weak statement, but that it was a statement that people just finally needed to have out in the open nonetheless. Pretty much any diplomatic statement that falls short of the threat of military force is "weak," IMHO.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    Here is an example of fake activists and color revolutions ...

    "An amusing example is the case of the blog "Gay Girl in Damascus", created on 21 February 2011. Edited in English by 25 year-old Amina, the website became a source of reference for Western media. Therein the author described the plight of a young lesbian under Bashar’s dictatorship and the day-to-day unfolding of the terrible repression unleashed against the revolution. As a gay woman, she garnered the protective empathy of Western web surfers who mobilized as soon as her arrest by the secret services of the "regime" was announced."

    "However, as it happened, Amina was a fiction. Betrayed by his IP address, a US 40 year-old "student" was discovered to be the real author of this masquerade. This propagandist, who was allegedly preparing a PhD in Scotland, recently participated in a pro-Western opposition conference held in Turkey, urging for a NATO intervention. He quite obviously did not attend in his capacity as a student."

    "What is particularly surprising is not so much the gullibility of the internet surfers who swallowed the lies about the fake Amina, but the outpouring of the defenders of freedom in support of those who trample those same freedoms."


    "Reality reversal is a principle being applied on a large scale. We may recall the United Nations reports on the humanitarian crisis in Libya alleging that tens of thousands of immigrant workers were fleeing the country to escape from violence. The conclusion drawn and spewed by the Western media was that the Gaddafi "regime" had to be toppled in favor of the Benghazi rebels. And yet, it was not the government of Tripoli who was responsible for this tragedy, but the so-called revolutionaries in Cyrenaica who were hunting down black Africans. Stirred by a racist ideology, they accused them of being at the service of Colonel Gaddafi and lynched whoever they could get their hands on."

    "In Syria, the images of armed groups perched on the rooftops and firing at random into the crowd or on police forces were broadcast on national television networks. Yet, these same images were relayed and used by Western and Saudi television channels to attribute these crimes to the government of Damascus."

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    Re: U.S. Calls on Syrian President to Leave Power (about time)

    How many have been slaughtered in Syria as obama dithered?

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