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    Re: Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction

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    Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction - The Washington Post



    I think this is moving in the right direction. Personally, I believe a jobs plan that would put the American economy back on track would primarily involve a huge infrastructure overhaul and public works program. While this will necessarily involve more spending, this is spending that we have to do sooner or sometime later down the road, regardless. The state of our infrastructure is quickly falling behind that of other industrialized countries, and our current infrastructure (i'm talking about transporation, power grids, information, etc.) is simply costing us more and more as our population grows and it just sits there deteriorating.

    I believe any sound plan to curb the debt/deficit will involve both cutting unnecessary spending, but at the same time our economic growth must be on a healthy footing in order to be a sound foundation for deficit-reduction. I believe that the way to attack to the deficit is to yes, find some savings, but also to fix the economy first; as opposed simply austerity, as many conservatives would have it.
    How about instead of trying to spend our way out of this with "stimulus spending" we try tax cuts, spending cuts, and suspend the tons of new regulations his administration has been pushing through.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    How about instead of trying to spend our way out of this with "stimulus spending" we try tax cuts, spending cuts, and suspend the tons of new regulations his administration has been pushing through.
    I support overhauling and simplifying the tax code and getting rid of unnecessary regulations, but some regulations are necessary. I actually support targeted spending cuts promoted by the Simpson-Bowles and later Gang of Six plans, (which both exceed those in the current Budget Control Act, btw). Nevertheless, while those things will help the economy get back on track, I don't believe those things alone will be enough to get rid of the chronic unemployment problem that we've currently had on our hands. Recessions that result from financial crises/credit busts are a bitch, and historically haven't been solved simply by having hands-off government.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction

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    Are these "shovel-ready" jobs?
    You should always a shovel ready when ever Obama speaks because it's always Bovine Scatology.

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    Re: Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    You should always a shovel ready when ever Obama speaks because it's always Bovine Scatology.

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    Sure, you can tell it's bullsh*t by looking at the hundreds of ribbon cutting ceremonies for completed stimulus projects presided over by Republican congressmen who claim that the stimulus accomplished nothing.

    Like this one:

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    "Rep. Richard Hanna (R-NY), a freshman who won last year with Tea Party backing, campaigned vigorously against President Obama’s stimulus plan, a legislative package backed by his opponent, former Rep. Mike Arcuri (D-NY). Hanna’s ads pounded Arcuri for voting for the “failed stimulus.”

    But on Tuesday, Hanna seemed to be celebrating a successful stimulus program. Starting in 2009, workers funded by the stimulus refurbished a jobs placement and innovation facility, called the REACH Center, in downtown Rome, NY. Owned by a nonprofit called Rome Up and Running, the REACH Center won the stimulus grant to employ several dozen local youth to make renovations to the building. The investment paid off. Now, the REACH Center is open for business and has landed two tenants.

    As the first tenant for the REACH Center moved in this week, Hanna was on-hand for the celebration. In fact, the Rome Observer snapped a picture of Hanna attending the ribbon-cutting ceremony. No word though if he gave thanks to the “failed stimulus” for making it possible."

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    Re: Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction

    [QUOTE=Councilman;1059738349][SIZE=3]You should always a shovel ready when ever Obama speaks because it's always Bovine Scatology.

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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction

    "Wednesday afternoon, Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID) attended a ribbon-cutting event for the Health West clinic in Aberdeen, Idaho. Crapo praised the clinic, which will specialize in assisting low-income patients in rural areas, saying, “What is happening right here in Aberdeen today is one of the core pieces of the solution that we need in America today.” What Crapo did not mention in his praise for Health West is that most of its funding came from the stimulus package that he opposed:


    During a brief speech at the ribbon-cutting ceremony, Sen. Crapo said the clinic is essential in providing efficient high-quality services in a rural community. He said the facility helps address two disturbing trends in U.S. health care — skyrocketing cost of services and limited access to quality care.

    “What is happening right here in Aberdeen today is one of the core pieces of the solution that we need in America today,” Crapo said. [...] Stephen Weeg, executive director for Health West in Southeast Idaho, said the clinic hopes to partner with the larger medical hospitals to bring in specialists once a month. Green light for the clinic did not come until stimulus money was made available.

    Weeg said stimulus money from the U.S. Department of Agriculture provided $500,000 of the $660,000 project. Additional money came from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. About $74,000 was raised locally, with about $35,000 left to raise.
    At the time of the passage of the stimulus bill, Crapo called it “an avalanche of special funding, much of which is unrelated to stimulating our economy as a whole.” It now appears that the senator realizes, at least implicitly, that it has provided funding to important projects like the West Health center that he calls “one of the core pieces of the solution that we need in America today.”

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    Re: Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    "Wednesday afternoon, Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID) attended a ribbon-cutting event for the Health West clinic in Aberdeen, Idaho. Crapo praised the clinic, which will specialize in assisting low-income patients in rural areas, saying, “What is happening right here in Aberdeen today is one of the core pieces of the solution that we need in America today.” What Crapo did not mention in his praise for Health West is that most of its funding came from the stimulus package that he opposed:




    At the time of the passage of the stimulus bill, Crapo called it “an avalanche of special funding, much of which is unrelated to stimulating our economy as a whole.” It now appears that the senator realizes, at least implicitly, that it has provided funding to important projects like the West Health center that he calls “one of the core pieces of the solution that we need in America today.”
    always helpful when you post a link, Adam
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction

    But first, of course, Obama must go on vacation.

    He hasn't had one in over a week.

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    Re: Obama to issue new proposals on job creation, debt reduction

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    But first, of course, Obama must go on vacation.

    He hasn't had one in over a week.
    Is he going to take off the whole month of August, like Bush did?

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