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Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

OscarB63 said:
how does the fact that your great, great, great, great, great grandfather was a slave in any way oppress you today, nearly 200 years later?
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OscarB63 said:
nice dodge. tell me again, how many years were you a slave?
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OscarB63 said:
and you can point out where I said it did?...
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many of your posts suggest that you believe that slavery was the only oppression blacks have suffered in this country, and that Segregation does not count as significant oppression. I keep bringing up Segregation and you keep ignoring it. I therefore logically conclude that you consider Jim Crow to be a non-issue.
 
Thunder said:
many of your posts suggest that you believe that slavery was the only oppression blacks have suffered in this country, and that Segregation does not count as significant oppression. I keep bringing up Segregation and you keep ignoring it. I therefore logically conclude that you consider Jim Crow to be a non-issue.
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wrong, that is your misinterpretation of my posts. stop trying to read more into them than what I actually post.
 
StillBallin75 said:
While they do exist in the minority, the notion that Obama supporters as a whole support him based on race is just as silly as the idea that his opponents oppose him based on his race.
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Apparently a member of the CBC disagrees with you and believes at least enough black voters do indeed support him blindly based on race and that in fact they would turn on the CBC if the CBC dared to 'go after him' on his inaction.
 
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VanceMack said:
Apparently a member of the CBC disagrees with you and believes at least enough black voters do indeed support him blindly based on race and that in fact they would turn on the CBC if the CBC dared to 'go after him' on his inaction.
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i thought we were referring to supporters in general, rather than black voters, but you may have a point.
 
Thunder said:
if you believe that Jim Crow was an oppressive time for blacks, then I apologize.
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oh yeah. but how long ago was Jim Crow? most of the people alive today never had to go to a "separate but equal" black school, never had to move to the back of the bus, never had to use the "colored only" drinking fountains.

there is still plenty of racism on both sides to go around without going out and looking for it.
 
OscarB63 said:
oh yeah. but how long ago was Jim Crow? most of the people alive today never had to go to a "separate but equal" black school, never had to move to the back of the bus, never had to use the "colored only" drinking fountains.

there is still plenty of racism on both sides to go around without going out and looking for it.
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I was alive during busing, and survived the riots we had over it in Jacksonville, Florida. That wasn't that long ago.
 
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The flaming and baiting needs to cease. Stick to the topic
 
StillBallin75 said:
i thought we were referring to supporters in general, rather than black voters, but you may have a point.
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Supporting one of us isn't that unusual. Romney has a religion problem, but Mormans are more likely to support him. Kennedy likely had the Catholic vote, but had to cross religous lines to succeed. Many conservatives have to knwo their candidate is born again. Some even want the candidate to be male and white. Some.

Point is, it's not unusal. We need to see someone like us be successful. The more we see, the less important it is. But when the numbers are fewer, the more importan t it is. I think this is human nature.
 
StillBallin75 said:
i thought we were referring to supporters in general, rather than black voters, but you may have a point.
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Just going with the OP and the thread...Maxine Waters comments had a very specific audience.
 
Boo Radley said:
I was alive during busing, and survived the riots we had over it in Jacksonville, Florida. That wasn't that long ago.
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they integrated the schools when I was in 4th or 5th grade. that was 40 years ago. 40 years is a pretty long time.
 
Boo Radley said:
I was alive during busing, and survived the riots we had over it in Jacksonville, Florida. That wasn't that long ago.
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So you should know most of the problems were created by government. The problem with businesses throwing people out is blown way out of proportion to what really happened.
 
Boo Radley said:
Supporting one of us isn't that unusual. Romney has a religion problem, but Mormans are more likely to support him. Kennedy likely had the Catholic vote, but had to cross religous lines to succeed. Many conservatives have to knwo their candidate is born again. Some even want the candidate to be male and white. Some.

Point is, it's not unusal. We need to see someone like us be successful. The more we see, the less important it is. But when the numbers are fewer, the more importan t it is. I think this is human nature.
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And your comments may be relevant should Romney get elected and Harry Reid dress down a mormon congregation because they blindly support Romney based on his faith. However...very clearly and very specifically...Maxine Waters and the CBC are calling out blacks that blindly support Obama based solely on race and her concern that they would turn on the CBC if they should go after him. No need to try to pretend that what is happening isnt.
 
OscarB63 said:
they integrated the schools when I was in 4th or 5th grade. that was 40 years ago. 40 years is a pretty long time.
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segregation fully ended at different times in different states.

one cannot compare Boston to Macon to Louisville to Baton Rouge.

for the most part, we can assume that any black person who is older than 50 years old experienced and probably remembers living under Segregation, ESPECIALLY if they lived in the South.

however, many northern cities today such as Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Boston, still have blacks living in crappy communities that were set up using racially discriminatory practises such as red-lining.
 
Henrin said:
So you should know most of the problems were created by government. The problem with businesses throwing people out is blown way out of proportion to what really happened.
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I don't think so. One I lived there, in a black community. And even in 1999, I saw business refuse service in all kinds of less overt ways in Mississippi. There was a distinct white restruant, and a distinct black restruant in town. no law prevented you from going in, but I wouldn't count on you liking the service.
 
OscarB63 said:
yeah. 40-50 years ago. so how does that really affect someone who is 25?
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like I said, many 20-year olds live today in communities that were set up by racist policies.

The effects of Segregationist policies last long after the policies are made illegal.
 
Boo Radley said:
I was alive during busing, and survived the riots we had over it in Jacksonville, Florida. That wasn't that long ago.
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I rode on the buses and waved to the black kids being bused from downtown Jacksonville to Cedar Hills schools like Nathaniel Bedford Forrest and Ed White. Great times. Send 100 kids into a school of a few thousand to promote racial integration. How could that not succeed???
 
VanceMack said:
And your comments may be relevant should Romney get elected and Harry Reid dress down a mormon congregation because they blindly support Romney based on his faith. However...very clearly and very specifically...Maxine Waters and the CBC are calling out blacks that blindly support Obama based solely on race and her concern that they would turn on the CBC if they should go after him. No need to try to pretend that what is happening isnt.
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No, this would be more like Christians calling out Christains for blinding choosing a candidate because of his faith.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, this would be more like Christians calling out Christains for blinding choosing a candidate because of his faith.
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Mormons calling out mormons...what part did you miss?
 
VanceMack said:
I rode on the buses and waved to the black kids being bused from downtown Jacksonville to Cedar Hills schools like Nathaniel Bedford Forrest and Ed White. Great times. Send 100 kids into a school of a few thousand to promote racial integration. How could that not succeed???
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I lived on Phoneix Avenue. I was bussed to Arrlington heights. I was white and fit neither place at that time. I can't remember a day I didn't have a fight.

Those were the days. Memories.

BTW, just as an aside, it led to me never going to the 8th grade. I convinced the school I was moving, and simply stopped going. My mother worked too much and there was no dad. So, I missed the entire year. The next year we moved to Georgia, and somehow my mother got me in 9th grade. It all became a family legend.

Anyway,just remembering. . . . :coffeepap
 
OscarB63 said:
they integrated the schools when I was in 4th or 5th grade. that was 40 years ago. 40 years is a pretty long time.
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No, in the scheme of things, it's not very long at all. As I said earlier, these things more slowly.
 
Boo Radley said:
I lived on Phoneix Avenue. I was bussed to Arrlington heights. I was white and fit neither place at that time. I can't remember a day I didn't have a fight.

Those were the days. Memories.

BTW, just as an aside, it led to me never going to the 8th grade. I convinced the school I was moving, and simply stopped going. My mother worked too much and there was no dad. So, I missed the entire year. The next year we moved to Georgia, and somehow my mother got me in 9th grade. It all became a family legend.

Anyway,just remembering. . . . :coffeepap
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I still remember the drills when the coaches would run from room to room snatching up the white kids and chaining the doors into the gym and watching us shoot baskets for hours on end. Lined up at gunpoint in the common areas by kids from Wolfson....teachers getting thrown from windows...Yep...good times. Quality education. And since the KKK actually was actively recruiting in JH and HS back in those days, I kinda wonder if the 100 or so black kids were equally appreciative of THEIR scholastic experiences...
 
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