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Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

Boo Radley said:
Been there. As a white guy. Not so bad. Not near as bad as driving or walking while being black.
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Oh, brother. Yeah, black guys just drop like flies when they take a stroll in the suburbs.

Delusional.
 
Erod said:
Oh, brother. Yeah, black guys just drop like flies when they take a stroll in the suburbs.

Delusional.
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Yes, it is always proper to leap to the absurd in an effort to avoid the actual issue. Bravo. Well done.


:coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of group privilege. In Portraits of White Racism, David Wellman has defined racism as "culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities.
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A perfect example of this is what liberals do to keep minorities in the inner cities poor, on welfare and angry about being oppressed by "The Man".

Here is an excellent 3 part series that puts this issue into better perspective.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
 
GPS_Flex said:
A perfect example of this is what liberals do to keep minorities in the inner cities poor, on welfare and angry about being oppressed by "The Man".

Here is an excellent 3 part series that puts this issue into better perspective.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
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hmm...what exactly do liberals do to keep minorities poor, deny them jobs? deny them education? very silly. now, we could talk about more welfare reform, but let's face it, you probably don't know much about welfare and how it really works.

btw, why don't liberals keep white people poor too?
 
GPS_Flex said:
A perfect example of this is what liberals do to keep minorities in the inner cities poor, on welfare and angry about being oppressed by "The Man".

Here is an excellent 3 part series that puts this issue into better perspective.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
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let's examine some of the trite bull**** found within your second cite [could not open the third one]

... In both countries, those who have achieved less have been taught by the educational system, by the media and by politicians on the left that they have a grievance against those who have achieved more. ...
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please show us examples of the education system telling the underclass that they have a valid grievance against those who have achieved more
now do the same for the media
likewise the politicians of the left


... Moreover, there has been a growing tolerance of lawlessness and a growing intolerance toward the idea that people who are lagging need to take steps to raise themselves up, instead of trying to pull others down. ...
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now give us evidence that lawlessness is now more tolerated
show us examples where the underclass are told they should not take steps to help themselves up
show us examples where the underclass is told to pull others down rather than helping themselves

in short, your opinions as well as your cites are full of ****
 
GPS_Flex said:
A perfect example of this is what liberals do to keep minorities in the inner cities poor, on welfare and angry about being oppressed by "The Man".

Here is an excellent 3 part series that puts this issue into better perspective.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
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That was convincing . . . NOT.

You should know I was once poor. Projects welfare poor as a child. My family beyond my parents are relatviely wealthy and very conservtive. Never did **** to help us. However, some good liberals taught me how to fish. So, from an experience POV, I think you guys have it all wrong. Just saying . . . :coffeepap
 
liblady said:
hmm...what exactly do liberals do to keep minorities poor, deny them jobs?
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Yes, by convincing them that any disparities in hiring can only be due to racism and discrimination and by making it easier and more stable to remain on welfare than to make the changes required to find and keep a job.

liblady said:
deny them education?
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Indirectly, yes. Liberals have controlled the inner city areas where education performance is the worst and still don’t realize that throwing more money at the problem won’t work. When liberals are willing to challenge the minorities who aren’t getting educated to change their behaviors and the value they place upon an education, things will change. They won’t change as long as it is un-cool to do well in school and while challenging kids on such issues usually leads to cries of racism or discrimination.



liblady said:
now, we could talk about more welfare reform, but let's face it, you probably don't know much about welfare and how it really works.
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Wrong again. I was homeless and on my own at the age of 15, stopped going to school before I even got to high school and basically lived on the streets and received welfare etc. until I was 20. Today I have my GED, an AS, a BA, am working on my MS and own my own home outright paid in full. It isn’t in a good neighborhood and it isn’t very nice but it is mine.

I think I know a thing or two about welfare, the streets and what it takes to pull yourself up out of the mire therein.

liblady said:
btw, why don't liberals keep white people poor too?
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They do. Read the articles I linked to. Telling people they are victims and that they are entitled to a better life without forcing them to take responsibility for themselves only makes their situations worse, regardless of thier race.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Indirectly, yes. Liberals have controlled the inner city areas where education performance is the worst and still don’t realize that throwing more money at the problem won’t work. When liberals are willing to challenge the minorities who aren’t getting educated to change their behaviors and the value they place upon an education, things will change. They won’t change as long as it is un-cool to do well in school and while challenging kids on such issues usually leads to cries of racism or discrimination.
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I forgot to mention liberal opposition to school vouchers. Liberal loyalty to teachers unions rather than to inner city children is another example of liberal policies keeping inner city children uneducated.
 
GPS_Flex said:
I forgot to mention liberal opposition to school vouchers. Liberal loyalty to teachers unions rather than to inner city children is another example of liberal policies keeping inner city children uneducated.
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Opposition to school vouchers has nothing to with teachers unions. Some of us seeing running away from the problem, leaving those with the most need with the least, isn't a good idea. So, instead of making up hit in order to frame your false argument, try addressing actual arguments.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Yes, by convincing them that any disparities in hiring can only be due to racism and discrimination and by making it easier and more stable to remain on welfare than to make the changes required to find and keep a job.

Indirectly, yes. Liberals have controlled the inner city areas where education performance is the worst and still don’t realize that throwing more money at the problem won’t work. When liberals are willing to challenge the minorities who aren’t getting educated to change their behaviors and the value they place upon an education, things will change. They won’t change as long as it is un-cool to do well in school and while challenging kids on such issues usually leads to cries of racism or discrimination.



Wrong again. I was homeless and on my own at the age of 15, stopped going to school before I even got to high school and basically lived on the streets and received welfare etc. until I was 20. Today I have my GED, an AS, a BA, am working on my MS and own my own home outright paid in full. It isn’t in a good neighborhood and it isn’t very nice but it is mine.

I think I know a thing or two about welfare, the streets and what it takes to pull yourself up out of the mire therein.

They do. Read the articles I linked to. Telling people they are victims and that they are entitled to a better life without forcing them to take responsibility for themselves only makes their situations worse, regardless of thier race.
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and i know just as much about welfare as you. the difference is, i moved out at 15 and got a job, not welfare. i'm not even sure how you managed that. they give welfare to 15 year olds living on their own?

i don't read townhall, for various reasons. i still see absolutely no proof of what you have asserted. are you saying inner city school teachers don't teach? sure they do, their audience is just a bit harder to engage, you know, because maybe they laid awake all night listening to their mother get high. that means we do have to more to get these kids moving on the right track, not abandon them.

and you did not address ss and mdeicare. i think what you are doing here is repeating talking points.
 
Yes, by convincing them that any disparities in hiring can only be due to racism and discrimination and by making it easier and more stable to remain on welfare than to make the changes required to find and keep a job.
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Who is doing that, exactly?

Indirectly, yes. Liberals have controlled the inner city areas where education performance is the worst and still don’t realize that throwing more money at the problem won’t work. When liberals are willing to challenge the minorities who aren’t getting educated to change their behaviors and the value they place upon an education, things will change. They won’t change as long as it is un-cool to do well in school and while challenging kids on such issues usually leads to cries of racism or discrimination.
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How should liberals challenge them?

I was homeless and on my own at the age of 15, stopped going to school before I even got to high school and basically lived on the streets and received welfare etc. until I was 20.
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But somehow the liberals didn't manage to corrupt you? How did you manage to survive the human wave of liberals coming at you, telling you to stay on welfare? :roll:
 
liblady said:
and i know just as much about welfare as you. the difference is, i moved out at 15 and got a job, not welfare. i'm not even sure how you managed that. they give welfare to 15 year olds living on their own?

i don't read townhall, for various reasons. i still see absolutely no proof of what you have asserted. are you saying inner city school teachers don't teach? sure they do, their audience is just a bit harder to engage, you know, because maybe they laid awake all night listening to their mother get high. that means we do have to more to get these kids moving on the right track, not abandon them.

and you did not address ss and mdeicare. i think what you are doing here is repeating talking points.
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You can do anything you want moving them in the right track, but until they learn that it's up to them to get their asses up outta where they're at, it's useless.

First, you give them an education. Then, when they can't find a job, you find a job for them. After that, they can't get move forward in the job that you gave them, so you pass laws that make it easier for them to get promoted and make more money.

The question: At what point do they learn that they have to actually do something on their own?
 
liblady said:
and i know just as much about welfare as you. the difference is, i moved out at 15 and got a job, not welfare.
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So? It wasn’t me who claimed you knew nothing about welfare was it? You were wrong for making the assumption you made (you know, profiling me) and now you are better than me because your stuff don’t stink? Whatever…

liblady said:
i'm not even sure how you managed that. they give welfare to 15 year olds living on their own?
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I didn’t say I was on welfare at 15 did I? I said I was homeless and living on the streets at 15. Those commas can be tricky so you might want to pay more attention to them in the future.


liblady said:
i don't read townhall, for various reasons. i still see absolutely no proof of what you have asserted.
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Do I need to explain the difference between sciences like chemistry and social sciences? Feel free to offer a counter argument but spare me the demands for “proof”. It makes your argument look lazy.


liblady said:
are you saying inner city school teachers don't teach?
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Inner city schools are failing to educate inner city children and that liberals are to blame because they control these districts and refuse to allow inner city children who have parents who want to send their kids to a better school an opportunity to do so.


liblady said:
sure they do, their audience is just a bit harder to engage, you know, because maybe they laid awake all night listening to their mother get high. that means we do have to more to get these kids moving on the right track, not abandon them.
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I have never proposed that these children be abandoned, it is the liberal political policy that is abandoning children whose parents aren’t up all night getting high by forcing them to go to school with children whose parents aren’t interested in doing anything to help their own children.

Do you agree that we should help those children who have parents who aren’t up all night getting high by allowing their children to get out of failed schools and into proven and successful schools or do to take the typical liberal position that the parents should have no choice in the matter of where their children are educated? Watch this video and then tell those children that you still refuse to support their opportunity for a good education.

[video]http://rightnetwork.com/episodes/let-me-rise-the-struggle-to-save-school-choice-in-the-nations-capitol[/video]

liblady said:
and you did not address ss and mdeicare. i think what you are doing here is repeating talking points.
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SS and Medicare haven’t come up and I don’t do talking points, I post my thoughts on an issue and expect you to do the same rather than demanding proof. You know, offer a counter opinion and such. Engage and make an argument.
 
Councilman said:
And this is when some are claiming Obama is already bouncing back from low poll ratings.

Maxine seems pissed to me.
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You know Obama's in trouble when Maxine Waters, a steadfast liberal base supporter, criticizes him. The thrill is gone.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059741988 said:
You know Obama's in trouble when Maxine Waters, a steadfast liberal base supporter, criticizes him. The thrill is gone.
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You didn't point out that she is also "a person of color". Why not?

Liberals make sure we all know what ethnicity and/or gender and/or color people are as though it matters yet you didn’t even mention it. Why not?
 
apdst said:
You can do anything you want moving them in the right track, but until they learn that it's up to them to get their asses up outta where they're at, it's useless.

First, you give them an education. Then, when they can't find a job, you find a job for them. After that, they can't get move forward in the job that you gave them, so you pass laws that make it easier for them to get promoted and make more money.

The question: At what point do they learn that they have to actually do something on their own?
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i call bull**** on this bull****

but prove me wrong and show us a cite for the laws that make it easier for them to get promoted and make more money
 
justabubba said:
i call bull**** on this bull****

but prove me wrong and show us a cite for the laws that make it easier for them to get promoted and make more money
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I don't get it. What are you refering to?
 
justabubba said:
these laws he was referring to:
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I can’t speak to the particulars apdst was referring to but things like the claim that a test is racist because not enough minority firefighters passed it comes to mind right away.

Obviously you didn’t support the promotions of those minorities who were unable to pass the test or didn’t score as high as the non minorities who took the test right? You aren’t claiming that you support advancement of minorities based solely upon their race are you justabubba?
 
GPS_Flex said:
You didn't point out that she is also "a person of color". Why not?

Liberals make sure we all know what ethnicity and/or gender and/or color people are as though it matters yet you didn’t even mention it. Why not?
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You're right, liberals like playing that card game, don't they?
 
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