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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    A perfect example of this is what liberals do to keep minorities in the inner cities poor, on welfare and angry about being oppressed by "The Man".

    Here is an excellent 3 part series that puts this issue into better perspective.

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    That was convincing . . . NOT.

    You should know I was once poor. Projects welfare poor as a child. My family beyond my parents are relatviely wealthy and very conservtive. Never did **** to help us. However, some good liberals taught me how to fish. So, from an experience POV, I think you guys have it all wrong. Just saying . . .

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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    hmm...what exactly do liberals do to keep minorities poor, deny them jobs?
    Yes, by convincing them that any disparities in hiring can only be due to racism and discrimination and by making it easier and more stable to remain on welfare than to make the changes required to find and keep a job.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    deny them education?
    Indirectly, yes. Liberals have controlled the inner city areas where education performance is the worst and still donít realize that throwing more money at the problem wonít work. When liberals are willing to challenge the minorities who arenít getting educated to change their behaviors and the value they place upon an education, things will change. They wonít change as long as it is un-cool to do well in school and while challenging kids on such issues usually leads to cries of racism or discrimination.



    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    now, we could talk about more welfare reform, but let's face it, you probably don't know much about welfare and how it really works.
    Wrong again. I was homeless and on my own at the age of 15, stopped going to school before I even got to high school and basically lived on the streets and received welfare etc. until I was 20. Today I have my GED, an AS, a BA, am working on my MS and own my own home outright paid in full. It isnít in a good neighborhood and it isnít very nice but it is mine.

    I think I know a thing or two about welfare, the streets and what it takes to pull yourself up out of the mire therein.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    btw, why don't liberals keep white people poor too?
    They do. Read the articles I linked to. Telling people they are victims and that they are entitled to a better life without forcing them to take responsibility for themselves only makes their situations worse, regardless of thier race.

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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Indirectly, yes. Liberals have controlled the inner city areas where education performance is the worst and still donít realize that throwing more money at the problem wonít work. When liberals are willing to challenge the minorities who arenít getting educated to change their behaviors and the value they place upon an education, things will change. They wonít change as long as it is un-cool to do well in school and while challenging kids on such issues usually leads to cries of racism or discrimination.
    I forgot to mention liberal opposition to school vouchers. Liberal loyalty to teachers unions rather than to inner city children is another example of liberal policies keeping inner city children uneducated.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I forgot to mention liberal opposition to school vouchers. Liberal loyalty to teachers unions rather than to inner city children is another example of liberal policies keeping inner city children uneducated.
    Opposition to school vouchers has nothing to with teachers unions. Some of us seeing running away from the problem, leaving those with the most need with the least, isn't a good idea. So, instead of making up hit in order to frame your false argument, try addressing actual arguments.

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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Yes, by convincing them that any disparities in hiring can only be due to racism and discrimination and by making it easier and more stable to remain on welfare than to make the changes required to find and keep a job.

    Indirectly, yes. Liberals have controlled the inner city areas where education performance is the worst and still donít realize that throwing more money at the problem wonít work. When liberals are willing to challenge the minorities who arenít getting educated to change their behaviors and the value they place upon an education, things will change. They wonít change as long as it is un-cool to do well in school and while challenging kids on such issues usually leads to cries of racism or discrimination.



    Wrong again. I was homeless and on my own at the age of 15, stopped going to school before I even got to high school and basically lived on the streets and received welfare etc. until I was 20. Today I have my GED, an AS, a BA, am working on my MS and own my own home outright paid in full. It isnít in a good neighborhood and it isnít very nice but it is mine.

    I think I know a thing or two about welfare, the streets and what it takes to pull yourself up out of the mire therein.

    They do. Read the articles I linked to. Telling people they are victims and that they are entitled to a better life without forcing them to take responsibility for themselves only makes their situations worse, regardless of thier race.
    and i know just as much about welfare as you. the difference is, i moved out at 15 and got a job, not welfare. i'm not even sure how you managed that. they give welfare to 15 year olds living on their own?

    i don't read townhall, for various reasons. i still see absolutely no proof of what you have asserted. are you saying inner city school teachers don't teach? sure they do, their audience is just a bit harder to engage, you know, because maybe they laid awake all night listening to their mother get high. that means we do have to more to get these kids moving on the right track, not abandon them.

    and you did not address ss and mdeicare. i think what you are doing here is repeating talking points.

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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Yes, by convincing them that any disparities in hiring can only be due to racism and discrimination and by making it easier and more stable to remain on welfare than to make the changes required to find and keep a job.
    Who is doing that, exactly?

    Indirectly, yes. Liberals have controlled the inner city areas where education performance is the worst and still donít realize that throwing more money at the problem wonít work. When liberals are willing to challenge the minorities who arenít getting educated to change their behaviors and the value they place upon an education, things will change. They wonít change as long as it is un-cool to do well in school and while challenging kids on such issues usually leads to cries of racism or discrimination.
    How should liberals challenge them?

    I was homeless and on my own at the age of 15, stopped going to school before I even got to high school and basically lived on the streets and received welfare etc. until I was 20.
    But somehow the liberals didn't manage to corrupt you? How did you manage to survive the human wave of liberals coming at you, telling you to stay on welfare?

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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    and i know just as much about welfare as you. the difference is, i moved out at 15 and got a job, not welfare. i'm not even sure how you managed that. they give welfare to 15 year olds living on their own?

    i don't read townhall, for various reasons. i still see absolutely no proof of what you have asserted. are you saying inner city school teachers don't teach? sure they do, their audience is just a bit harder to engage, you know, because maybe they laid awake all night listening to their mother get high. that means we do have to more to get these kids moving on the right track, not abandon them.

    and you did not address ss and mdeicare. i think what you are doing here is repeating talking points.
    You can do anything you want moving them in the right track, but until they learn that it's up to them to get their asses up outta where they're at, it's useless.

    First, you give them an education. Then, when they can't find a job, you find a job for them. After that, they can't get move forward in the job that you gave them, so you pass laws that make it easier for them to get promoted and make more money.

    The question: At what point do they learn that they have to actually do something on their own?
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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    and i know just as much about welfare as you. the difference is, i moved out at 15 and got a job, not welfare.
    So? It wasnít me who claimed you knew nothing about welfare was it? You were wrong for making the assumption you made (you know, profiling me) and now you are better than me because your stuff donít stink? WhateverÖ

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm not even sure how you managed that. they give welfare to 15 year olds living on their own?
    I didnít say I was on welfare at 15 did I? I said I was homeless and living on the streets at 15. Those commas can be tricky so you might want to pay more attention to them in the future.


    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't read townhall, for various reasons. i still see absolutely no proof of what you have asserted.
    Do I need to explain the difference between sciences like chemistry and social sciences? Feel free to offer a counter argument but spare me the demands for ďproofĒ. It makes your argument look lazy.


    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    are you saying inner city school teachers don't teach?
    Inner city schools are failing to educate inner city children and that liberals are to blame because they control these districts and refuse to allow inner city children who have parents who want to send their kids to a better school an opportunity to do so.


    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    sure they do, their audience is just a bit harder to engage, you know, because maybe they laid awake all night listening to their mother get high. that means we do have to more to get these kids moving on the right track, not abandon them.
    I have never proposed that these children be abandoned, it is the liberal political policy that is abandoning children whose parents arenít up all night getting high by forcing them to go to school with children whose parents arenít interested in doing anything to help their own children.

    Do you agree that we should help those children who have parents who arenít up all night getting high by allowing their children to get out of failed schools and into proven and successful schools or do to take the typical liberal position that the parents should have no choice in the matter of where their children are educated? Watch this video and then tell those children that you still refuse to support their opportunity for a good education.

    http://rightnetwork.com/episodes/let...ations-capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    and you did not address ss and mdeicare. i think what you are doing here is repeating talking points.
    SS and Medicare havenít come up and I donít do talking points, I post my thoughts on an issue and expect you to do the same rather than demanding proof. You know, offer a counter opinion and such. Engage and make an argument.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    And this is when some are claiming Obama is already bouncing back from low poll ratings.

    Maxine seems pissed to me.
    You know Obama's in trouble when Maxine Waters, a steadfast liberal base supporter, criticizes him. The thrill is gone.
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    Re: Black caucus: Tired of making excuses for Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You know Obama's in trouble when Maxine Waters, a steadfast liberal base supporter, criticizes him. The thrill is gone.
    You didn't point out that she is also "a person of color". Why not?

    Liberals make sure we all know what ethnicity and/or gender and/or color people are as though it matters yet you didn’t even mention it. Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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