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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i already posted that most kids are eligible for free lunches, but thanks for the quote. tell you what, let's cut the oil co breaks and this program. or are they both small change?
    Great, I'm all for it.

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

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    I grew up eating free school lunches and breakfast and not once did I ever have any self esteem or any other issues over it.
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I guess that should be a clue, as to not have kids, you can't afford to take care of.
    what about people who have kids when they can take of them and then lose their jobs? jeez. or let's say all those kids in detroit have freeloading, able to find work parents who refuse to find or keep employment. don't those kids still need to eat?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I grew up eating free school lunches and breakfast and not once did I ever have any self esteem or any other issues over it.
    i was embarrassed.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what about people who have kids when they can take of them and then lose their jobs? jeez. or let's say all those kids in detroit have freeloading, able to find work parents who refuse to find or keep employment. don't those kids still need to eat?
    Let's get this out of the way. This isn't about paying for meals for kids whose parents are struggling. It's about paying for meals for parents who are doing fine and lying about why you are doing it.

    Hopefully we can continue from there.

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i already posted that most kids are eligible for free lunches, but thanks for the quote. tell you what, let's cut the oil co breaks and this program. or are they both small change?
    Most isn't all. If we were to apply your thinking to adults, you're basically saying let's give everyone in Detroit food stamps even if they're making 60k a year.

    All we're saying is that there is a cheaper way to do this. It would get rid of the stigma, and it would not prevent anyone who needs them from getting free meals.

    This thread isn't about Big Oil. Stick to the issue. Is this an intelligent program or not?

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Most isn't all. If we were to apply your thinking to adults, you're basically saying let's give everyone in Detroit food stamps even if they're making 60k a year.

    All we're saying is that there is a cheaper way to do this. It would get rid of the stigma, and it would not prevent anyone who needs them from getting free meals.

    This thread isn't about Big Oil. Stick to the issue. Is this an intelligent program or not?
    It's not that there is a cheaper way. We are already doing it. Kids have no idea who gets a free meal and who doesn't unless they tell. They still know that Johnny's mom and dad didn't have their car repossesed and theirs was.

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    what about people who have kids when they can take of them and then lose their jobs? jeez. or let's say all those kids in detroit have freeloading, able to find work parents who refuse to find or keep employment. don't those kids still need to eat?
    So they can't get food stamps?
    We need another program to feed people, when they already qualify for a program the feeds them.

    I don't think allowing parents to be ****ty, is a good way to "fix" things.
    Just makes you an enabler.
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It's not that there is a cheaper way. We are already doing it. Kids have no idea who gets a free meal and who doesn't unless they tell. They still know that Johnny's mom and dad didn't have their car repossesed and theirs was.
    The article says that kids who don't receive free lunch pay cash, so you can tell by watching them if they're on free lunch or not. In a punch system they would be drawing from deposited money, so no cash would ever be traded.

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That's an inaccurate number. We aren't "giving" them anything, either. We're just not taking it from them. And, as Harry said, much of that money is through tax breaks every business receives.

    Secondly, we spend $79 billion a year on food subsidies (food stamps, WIC, free lunch program). There are roughly 64 million students in elementary, junior high, and high schools. For breakfast, lunch, and a snack, the current payout to each school from the government is $6.18 per child per day. For a year, that's $395,520,000 per year. Alaska receives about twice that amount per child and Hawaii receives about 1.5 times that amount per child. Then there's a seperate program for milk.

    In 2007, the program cost us $8.7 billion to run. So if you deduct the $395 million in actual school reimbursement, the government spends $8.35 billion a year administering athe free lunch program. That means the government only spends about 4% of it's total budget directly on the students who need the food. Do you think 4% efficiency is enough justification to spend MORE money on providing free food for children who don't need free food?

    You can bring in unrelated policy all day, but let's focus on the issue here.
    actually, when foreign countries call royalties taxes, yes, we are GIVING IT TO THEM.

    do you have a link for your stats, becasue i don't quite understand what program you say costs 8.7 billion to run? all food subsidies? or school subsidies? are you really saying that school subsidy programs, at the federal level, are 4% efficient? i'm having a hard time with that number.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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