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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Many see the check their mom got for every kid she popped out and those kids follow her example.



    When you can afford it, why should we not expect their parents to be the one investing in their kid?

    Hmm, I agree with you again. When a parents income is at a certian level, say over $50,000. a year, they should be taxed to provide the lunches for their own children. Say $520. for each child annualy. No one will know who is paying for the lunches.

    We can also use that philosophy with corporations who have us investing subsidies, bail outs, bonuses, etc. that they should pay themselves, since they are mega-rich bastards.
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    When the government subsidizes things, that only grows. Once you pay for the lunches for the kids of those who can certainly afford it themselves, then they expect it forever.
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

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    But your point is kind of moot since they are all receiving free education, relying on the government.
    No they aren't. That's what my property tax is paying for.

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    That's really for them to decide. Though I can't think of anyone who wouldn't sell something of that kind of value if they needed to - I've known a couple people who have sold heirlooms worth a few thousand. It hurt to do, but the value of the item monetarily outweighed its sentimental value to them. In the real world, I don't think there are a ton of people who wouldn't sell it.

    But a piece of jewelry worth a hundred bucks? Maybe a few hundred? Why should they? If they are in a position of poverty with no immediate solution available, selling it will buy them, what, maybe a month? At best? And then they'll be back in the same position the next month. Something worth triple digits, or even a thousand, isn't going to help you much in the long term, or even the mid-term.

    When someone applies for some kind of welfare, they aren't doing it because they had a hard month. They're doing it because they're having a hard mid-to-long-term.
    Let me add some mathematics, in particular commutativity. Suppose person X and person Y each have $100. The end result of person X buying $100 jewelry and the government giving them $100 in food stamps is equivalent to person Y buying $100 in food and the government giving them a piece of jewelry worth $100. Since latter case would be easily opposed, the former case should be as well. The former case is even the case of poor decision on the beneficiary's part, unlike the latter.
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Let me add some mathematics, in particular commutativity. Suppose person X and person Y each have $100. The end result of person X buying $100 jewelry and the government giving them $100 in food stamps is equivalent to person Y buying $100 in food and the government giving them a piece of jewelry worth $100. Since latter case would be easily opposed, the former case should be as well. The former case is even the case of poor decision on the beneficiary's part, unlike the latter.
    You're talking about someone buying something like that while already on welfare. Not selling something they already own. These two things are not equivalent. You're simply moving the goal post.

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Let me add some mathematics, in particular commutativity. Suppose person X and person Y each have $100. The end result of person X buying $100 jewelry and the government giving them $100 in food stamps is equivalent to person Y buying $100 in food and the government giving them a piece of jewelry worth $100. Since latter case would be easily opposed, the former case should be as well. The former case is even the case of poor decision on the beneficiary's part, unlike the latter.
    Hmm, I like math. Lets say we give 100,000 lunches at $2.50 a lunch for 336 days, and we give $3 billion to 12 people at a bank one time annually,.......which cost the taxpayer more? How much did each person at the school get compared to each person at the bank?
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I don't really think you understand poverty very well, based on your comments.

    Who wants to grow up to be poor?
    Perhaps because my comments made no mention of that?

    That expectation still exists, but if the need is not meeting reality then support is required. How hard is that to understand?
    Nowhere does it state that the need isn't being met.

    Without support systems, we end up in third world conditions. Our country has the money to help children in this way and I for one support it.

    You're just against entitlements across the board, and that's not very realistic.
    Why is it so difficult for some to discuss things honestly? I said more than once that I have no problem providing free meals for poor kids. Can we continue in an honest way?

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    No they aren't. That's what my property tax is paying for.
    While your property taxes pay for their education, someone elses taxes paid for your education, so it is a fair deal huh?
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    I certainly agree with you. Oil companies refuse to explore or drill for oil unless we subsidize them.
    I do not believe this is true. It's way off topic so this is all I'll say about this. We subsidize things like this because politicians are reliant on their political donations.

    Casinos and ski lodges refuse to operate unless they get free subsidized electricity. They were all once kids getting free government box lunches at schools. Same way with those bankers, wallstreet freaks, rich that avoid taxation. It was the subsidized school lunches that killed America and made them socially dependent on hand outs.
    Again, please, let discuss things honestly.

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    Hmm, I agree with you again. When a parents income is at a certian level, say over $50,000. a year, they should be taxed to provide the lunches for their own children. Say $520. for each child annualy. No one will know who is paying for the lunches.
    I get a bill every month and pay it.

    We can also use that philosophy with corporations who have us investing subsidies, bail outs, bonuses, etc. that they should pay themselves, since they are mega-rich bastards.
    Nobody has complained more about the bail outs than I, for many of the very same reasons.

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