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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    You know what's extremely sad: that the school seems ot care moer about the kids than the parents do.
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Let's not restrict our attention to one object which you are assuming is junk. If they have unnecessary items of reasonable value, or are still buying such items, don't expect my help.
    Where do you draw the line for that? Having a couch? A couple more pairs of pants than is strictly necessary? Should they just sell everything they own until they're standing in an empty room? Are they poor enough then? How about a pendant from their dead parent who died in their arms? That too?

    Ownership of kit is not a good measure of wealth. It has very little do with wealth. Continued purchasing of expensive items might, but simply ownership? No.

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Let's not restrict our attention to one object which you are assuming is junk. If they have unnecessary items of reasonable value, or are still buying such items, don't expect my help.
    But the corporations can still count on the rightwingers continuing support for their govt welfare checks
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    When the government subsidizes things, that only grows. Once you pay for the lunches for the kids of those who can certainly afford it themselves, then they expect it forever.
    Unsubstantiated bullcrap
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not once did I say that providing free lunches was a bad idea. I said expanding it to those who can afford it is a bad idea.
    I am certain that you don't see the hypocrisy of what you just said
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Many see the check their mom got for every kid she popped out and those kids follow her example.
    I don't really think you understand poverty very well, based on your comments.

    Who wants to grow up to be poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    When you can afford it, why should we not expect their parents to be the one investing in their kid?
    That expectation still exists, but if the need is not meeting reality then support is required. How hard is that to understand?

    Without support systems, we end up in third world conditions. Our country has the money to help children in this way and I for one support it.

    You're just against entitlements across the board, and that's not very realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Where do you draw the line for that? Having a couch? A couple more pairs of pants than is strictly necessary? Should they just sell everything they own until they're standing in an empty room? Are they poor enough then? How about a pendant from their dead parent who died in their arms? That too?

    Ownership of kit is not a good measure of wealth. It has very little do with wealth. Continued purchasing of expensive items might, but simply ownership? No.
    Desperate times call for desperate measures. One could have sentimental value in any object. The sum of cash and value in items owned is a well-defined number. What if, for example, the sentimental object was appraised at a million dollars? You would still support them receiving financial support in order to maintain that item?
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Desperate times call for desperate measures. One could have sentimental value in any object. The sum of cash and value in items owned is a well-defined number. What if, for example, the sentimental object was appraised at a million dollars? You would still support them receiving financial support in order to maintain that item?
    That's really for them to decide. Though I can't think of anyone who wouldn't sell something of that kind of value if they needed to - I've known a couple people who have sold heirlooms worth a few thousand. It hurt to do, but the value of the item monetarily outweighed its sentimental value to them. In the real world, I don't think there are a ton of people who wouldn't sell it.

    But a piece of jewelry worth a hundred bucks? Maybe a few hundred? Why should they? If they are in a position of poverty with no immediate solution available, selling it will buy them, what, maybe a month? At best? And then they'll be back in the same position the next month. Something worth triple digits, or even a thousand, isn't going to help you much in the long term, or even the mid-term.

    When someone applies for some kind of welfare, they aren't doing it because they had a hard month. They're doing it because they're having a hard mid-to-long-term.

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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    When the government subsidizes things, that only grows. Once you pay for the lunches for the kids of those who can certainly afford it themselves, then they expect it forever.
    I certainly agree with you. Oil companies refuse to explore or drill for oil unless we subsidize them. Casinos and ski lodges refuse to operate unless they get free subsidized electricity. They were all once kids getting free government box lunches at schools. Same way with those bankers, wallstreet freaks, rich that avoid taxation. It was the subsidized school lunches that killed America and made them socially dependent on hand outs.
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    Re: All Detroit Schoolkids To Get Free Meals

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You know what - I'd say 'thank god for that' if someone right now was willing to foot the bill for my kid's lunches at school

    It costs a lot of money to be self-sufficient.
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