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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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Conservative said:
Like it or not Fiscal year 2009 was on the Obama record just like the 3 trillion in 2010-2011 is on the Obama record. Notice you always ignore those years which were entirely Obama budgets
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It has nothing to do with whether I like it or not or if you like it or not. It's a fact. FY2009 falls under Bush's budget. I find it perfectly reasonable to deduct what Obama spent that was unrelated to Bush, like the $200B for stimulus, but nearly all of the rest of it is directly attributable to Bush and his budget. You cannot honestly make Obama respsonsible for Bush's budget's shortfall. When you do, you are lying.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
It has nothing to do with whether I like it or not or if you like it or not. It's a fact. FY2009 falls under Bush's budget. I find it perfectly reasonable to deduct what Obama spent that was unrelated to Bush, like the $200B for stimulus, but nearly all of the rest of it is directly attributable to Bush and his budget. You cannot honestly make Obama respsonsible for Bush's budget's shortfall. When you do, you are lying.
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Like it or not, the Obama record will show 4 trillion added to the debt, a net job loss, declining labor force, and a credit downgrade. Obama deficits in 2010-2011 will total 3 trillion dollars and by the end of his first term he will have added more debt than Bush did in 8 years.
 
Conservative said:
I really appreciate that, especially your support of the taxpayers of TX getting some of their tax dollars back unless of course you think the stimulus money came from that "Obama Stash?" Looks to me like some of the stimulus money was for bridges and infrastructure which is how the stimulus was sold, some of the stimulus money was also used to fund the increased mandate of Medicaid and Unemployment benefits extensions which of course are federal mandates and have to be funded by the federal tax dollars.
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I agree that the stimulus funding was a big boost for the country, including Texas! :sun
 
pbrauer said:
Obama made that Gaffe about 57 states in Beaverton, Or just a few miles from here. It was the last stop on a 3-state in one day campaigning, I'm sure he was very tired. It's amazing to me that conservatives continue to believe he doesn't know how many states there are. Dumb asses.
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Of course they know, but remember what an idiot Bush was? Remember how frequently malapropisms escaped his lips and remember how much fun the left made of it? That had to be quite taxiing on Conservatives, watching us laugh at that buffoon for 8 years. So now they grasp at any mis-utterence Obama makes and they cling to them like the proverbial clinging to a twig after falling over the edge of a cliff.
 
pbrauer said:
Does it matter? Isn't Bush's plan still nanny state stuff?
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No, it doesn't matter and Conservatives attempt to deflect from that falls flat on its face since they didn't submit a bill on the matter; which Conservative said is how Congress "proposes" such things. So by Conservative's own standrards, they didn't propose anything.
 
Catawba said:
I agree that the stimulus funding was a big boost for the country, including Texas! :sun
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Big boost to the country? Net job loss, declining labor force, fewer people holding jobs, 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans, credit downgrade, and 4 trillion added to the debt 2009-2011? Liberals have such low standards but even standards this low is a joke
 
Conservative said:
Aw, bull****, I don't give a damn how tired you are, that was a dumbass comment and he should have known better. Where is the retraction
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He looked tired to me. But regardless, since when is a retraction required for an obvious gaffe?
 
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Conservative said:
Like it or not, the Obama record will show 4 trillion added to the debt
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Only to those who are too ignorant to know that the fiscal year runs from October through September and that Bush's final budget ran through September of 2009, which excluds you -- you know better.

So stop lying.
 
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Conservative said:
Like it or not, the Obama record will show 4 trillion added to the debt, a net job loss, declining labor force, and a credit downgrade. Obama deficits in 2010-2011 will total 3 trillion dollars and by the end of his first term he will have added more debt than Bush did in 8 years.
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Like it or not, when George Bush left office the economy was hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of jobs per month and neither Romney nor Perry show any evidence they could do better.
 
Conservative said:
Big boost to the country?
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Yes, and fortunately for you, it also provided a great portion of the jobs increase that Perry is now claiming credit for. :sun
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Only to those who are too ignorant to know that the fiscal year runs from October through September and that Bush's final budget ran through September of 2009, which excluded you -- you know better.

So stop lying.
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And those too stupid enough to know that 350 billion of TARP was left to Obama, that the repayment of TARP was never applied to the deficit, that the Obama stimulus was a supplemental as was the Afghanistan surge. Interesting that those are never discussed when talking about the 2009 deficit just like 2010 and 2011 deficits aren't discussed either.
 
pbrauer said:
Like it or not, when George Bush left office the economy was hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of jobs per month and neither Romney nor Perry show any evidence they could do better.
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So you keep saying yet I have not seen you discuss why there are fewer jobs today than when Obama took office, higher unemployment, more discouraged workers that have dropped out of the labor force and the 3 trillion deficit in 2010 and 2011. Let me know when Obama has a net job gain vs a net job loss?
 
Conservative said:
So more spending means a better education? 550,000 minimum wage jobs with an employment base of almost 11 million which is 5%. Want to bet California's number on California minimum wage isn't a lower percentage?

Poverty rate 4 times California? By what measurement and prove it? How much do illegals make in California?
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Actually it does. There is a direct correlation between test scores and the money per pupil spent on education. Certainly financing corporate welfare by making massive cuts to education doesn't help...but perhaps in your backwards world...it does.

As for the rest....Google it yourself, the statistics are very easy to find. Texas has the highest percentage of minimum wage and below minimum wage jobs in the country...and the poverty rates are out there for you as well.
 
Catawba said:
Yes, and fortunately for you, it also provided a great portion of the jobs increase that Perry is now claiming credit for. :sun
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Really? That is what you believe? Prove it. Explain to me why Obama has a net job loss from when he took office and more discouraged workers today than in 2009?
 
disneydude said:
Actually it does. There is a direct correlation between test scores and the money per pupil spent on education. Certainly financing corporate welfare by making massive cuts to education doesn't help...but perhaps in your backwards world...it does.

As for the rest....Google it yourself, the statistics are very easy to find. Texas has the highest percentage of minimum wage and below minimum wage jobs in the country...and the poverty rates are out there for you as well.
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So you believe, that is fine, you are entitled to your opinion. Better tell that to the companies leaving California for TX and other low tax states before you have no tax base left. I posted the TX minimum wage numbers which were just like yours, 550.000. What you failed to recognize is that is 5% of the employment base in TX.What is that percentage in TX using the California minimum wage number? The numbers shown on google compare TX minimum wage to the Federal Minimum wage and ignores states that have their own minimum wage like California which also has a higher cost of livign.
 
How bout this one Con: "GOP 2012 - If you liked GWB....you're gonna LOVE Perry"
 
Conservative said:
Too bad that the Obama record doesn't scare you as much as the Governor of a state that you don't live in or probably have never visited
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Obama prevented the Bush Recession from turning into another Great Depression, got health care reformed, has created 2.7 million jobs, including the great portion of jobs in Texas, done more to protect public health and the environment than any recent president, got rid of both Bin Laden and Gadaffi, and is ending both of the ME wars started by the last cowboy from Texas.

Not too shabby for a guy that inherited one of the biggest messes in history! Until someone more liberal comes along, he's the best option we've got! :sun
 
Conservative said:
And those too stupid enough to know that 350 billion of TARP was left to Obama,
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You were shown that only $180B of the $700B TARP funds were applied to the FY2009 deficit, so that dog won't hunt.

Conservative said:
that the repayment of TARP was never applied to the deficit
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Remains unproven by you, that dog doesn't hunt either.

Conservative said:
, that the Obama stimulus was a supplemental as was the Afghanistan surge.
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The supplimental was for funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Bush owns those. So that's yet another dog that won't hunt for you.

Deficit for FY2009: $1.9 trillion. Obama spent $200B on stimulus. The other $1.7 trillion is Bush's. Therefore, it's reasonable to say the debt has increased about $2.3 trillion because of Obama.

Conservative said:
Interesting that those are never discussed when talking about the 2009 deficit just like 2010 and 2011 deficits aren't discussed either.
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Guess you don't recall the last 67 times we've engaged in this same conversation. Every time ending up with me pointing out that you never proved repaid TARP funds weren't applied to the deficit (which remains upproven); with me pointing out only $180B was applied to FY2009; with me pointing out the war supplimental was to fund the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghainistan which Bush also dumped on Obama's lap.
 
Catawba said:
Obama prevented the Bush Recession from turning into another Great Depression, got health care reformed, has created 2.7 million jobs, including the great portion of jobs in Texas, done more to protect public health and the environment than any recent president, got rid of both Bin Laden and Gadaffi, and is ending both of the ME wars started by the last cowboy from Texas.

Not too shabby for a guy that inherited one of the biggest messes in history! Until someone more liberal comes along, he's the best option we've got! :sun
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Obama's biggest fault is that he allowed his moderate self to capitulate to the GOP right-wing. Unfortunately I agree with you.....I would love a liberal in the whitehouse, but a moderate is about the best we can hope for.
 
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