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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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Rick Perry, net job gain, increasing labor force, more jobs today than when Obama took office, and a two year balanced budget; Barack Obama net job loss, declining labor force, less people working, and 4 trillion ADDED to the debt.

Ohhh I see you have a new hot key:lamo
 
wrong? LOL, in 1994 the Bureau of Labor Statistics created the Discouraged worker class and eliminated that number from the labor force and the unemployment number. I believe it was 1994 because that is the first year it appears on BLS and is a way of showing lower unemployment not to be confused with U-6. Obama economic policies have led to people dropping out of the labor force in record numbers which is why U-6 is so high and the labor force dropping, or so it seems.

If you know how the unemployment rate is calculated then you would know what affect discouraged workes has on that rate.

Here is what you stated:

He could do what Obama has done, reduce the labor force and reduce that number from the unemployed to make the rate better.

Which is false. Unless of course you can provide a source that shows Obama did as you claimed.
 
Logic and common sense always escape liberals. Apparently you don't seem to grasp the concept of growing population nationally and Obama economic policies that drive people to TX. The fact remains and you will continue to ignore it, Perry net job gain, Obama net job loss. TX is helping Obama's numbers. You should be saying thank you

TX transportation and infrastructure, low cost of living, tech and innovation, and access to capital appear to be the biggest things that bring jobs to TX. Although, the increase in troops also has an affect as well.
 
btw, Conservative, if you have such a hard on for Perry, why are you supporting Flip Flopney?

Here's another gem from your spineless candidate. :lol:

"‘Mushy’ Mitt Romney Takes New Climate Stance: ‘I Don’t Know’ | “Do I think the world’s getting hotter? Yeah, I don’t know that but I think that it is,” Romney said at a New Hampshire town hall event last night, after being criticized by Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) for being “mushy” on climate change. “I don’t know if it’s mostly caused by humans.” Copying a Rick Perry line, Romney concluded: “What I’m not willing to do is spend trillions of dollars on something I don’t know the answer to.” He also said, “I do not believe in putting a carbon cap” on polluters. Two months ago, Romney said, “I believe that humans contribute” to global warming, “so it’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases.” A Romney aide told Reuters that “the candidate has not altered his position on climate change.”

‘Mushy’ Mitt Romney Takes New Climate Stance: ‘I Don’t Know’ | ThinkProgress

Here is why we have a decline in the labor force, new category, discouraged workers, reduces the labor force and the unemployment number. Discouraged workers by month

2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642 462
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929 778
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318 1173
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119
 
TX transportation and infrastructure, low cost of living, tech and innovation, and access to capital appear to be the biggest things that bring jobs to TX. Although, the increase in troops also has an affect as well.

I'm afraid the tech sector is losing interest in the state because of budget cuts to education.
 
TX transportation and infrastructure, low cost of living, tech and innovation, and access to capital appear to be the biggest things that bring jobs to TX. Although, the increase in troops also has an affect as well.

No question about it and low cost of living is directly related to taxes. Compare taxes in TX to yours in California.
 
TX transportation and infrastructure, low cost of living, tech and innovation, and access to capital appear to be the biggest things that bring jobs to TX. Although, the increase in troops also has an affect as well.

Don't forget proximity to the Mexican border and payouts to corporations to move their companies to Texas.

 
Don't forget proximity to the Mexican border and payouts to corporations to move their companies to Texas.



California is on the Mexican border as is Arizone yet people and business keep moving to TX. San Diego could handle more businesses moving their. Why aren't they?
 
Here is why we have a decline in the labor force, new category, discouraged workers, reduces the labor force and the unemployment number. Discouraged workers by month

2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642 462
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929 778
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318 1173
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119

An aging baby boom will have a short term impact on the number of discouraged workers. As they begin to retire in droves, a great deal of job creation will be required to make up the loss of labor.
 
I'm afraid the tech sector is losing interest in the state because of budget cuts to education.

Which means that TX will lose even more of its business appeal. I don't see TX as staying at the number 2 spot on that "Top States for Business" list very long.
 
An aging baby boom will have a short term impact on the number of discouraged workers. As they begin to retire in droves, a great deal of job creation will be required to make up the loss of labor.

Definition of discouraged workers? What do the baby boomers have to do with discouraged workers. Retiring workers create openings for others.
 
Which means that TX will lose even more of its business appeal. I don't see TX as staying at the number 2 spot on that "Top States for Business" list very long.

Wishful thinking? Pure speculation, sure hasn't happened in the last couple years
 
Is this the "Texas miracle?" :roll::confused:

Is this the hope and change you voted for

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
 
Which means that TX will lose even more of its business appeal. I don't see TX as staying at the number 2 spot on that "Top States for Business" list very long.

My bet is you didn't see the Obama results either but anyone that would have paid attention to his resume expected these kind of results. This is what happens when you elect someone without experience and someone incompetent to the Presidency. Absolutely no leadership skills and executive experience at all.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
 
Is this the hope and change you voted for

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

Why don't you respond to the FACT that all the surrounding states have lower unemployment rates? Where is the miracle in Texas?
 
Definition of discouraged workers? What do the baby boomers have to do with discouraged workers. Retiring workers create openings for others.

Those at the extreme ends of the age spectrum have a higher propensity to become discouraged (workers who are too young/old to want to hire). Stock market losses have eaten up a great deal of people's planned retirement income thereby forcing near-retirees to stay in the labor force. Many of them who cannot find employment end up discouraged.
 
Just an example of that liberal education brilliance. This coupled with either Romney's or Perry's executive experience doesn't bode well for Obama's re-election and rightly so

Obama: The Flake
 
Those at the extreme ends of the age spectrum have a higher propensity to become discouraged (workers who are too young/old to want to hire). Stock market losses have eaten up a great deal of people's planned retirement income thereby forcing near-retirees to stay in the labor force. Many of them who cannot find employment end up discouraged.

Then prove to me that Discouraged Workers include any of those baby boomers getting ready to retire? What stock market losses? Obama has saved us all. Why would anyone be discouraged with our "Hope and Change" President?
 
No question about it and low cost of living is directly related to taxes. Compare taxes in TX to yours in California.

What part of "military spouse" do you not understand? I don't pay CA taxes, I pay NC taxes.

And, although the cost of living for NC is higher than TX, NC is also 3rd on that list overall, right under TX, despite having pretty much the same state tax rate as CA. The thing that keeps NC below TX is the economy is pretty bad, which is most likely what is affecting its cost of living. Much of the issue with NC is that the small town areas had job markets mostly centered around textiles, which have been steadily moving to places like Latin America and Asia for the low-wage workers. However, NC ranks better than TX for business friendliness and cost of business.
 
Why don't you respond to the FACT that all the surrounding states have lower unemployment rates? Where is the miracle in Texas?

Would be happy to when you show me the labor force growth in those states. Isn't California a border state? Didn't it go from 11.8 to 12% in June to July? Arizona from 9.3 to 9.4? Congratulations to New Mexico 6.8 to 6.7.

Let's see, 12% and 9.4% are lower than 8.4%????
 
What part of "military spouse" do you not understand? I don't pay CA taxes, I pay NC taxes.

And, although the cost of living for NC is higher than TX, NC is also 3rd on that list overall, right under TX, despite having pretty much the same state tax rate as CA. The thing that keeps NC below TX is the economy is pretty bad, which is most likely what is affecting its cost of living. Much of the issue with NC is that the small town areas had job markets mostly centered around textiles, which have been steadily moving to places like Latin America and Asia for the low-wage workers. However, NC ranks better than TX for business friendliness and cost of business.

So you think the growth in the labor force in TX is due to the military? Interesting how demonization of TX is the new tactic for the left. Slightly conservative? What does that mean, conservative on what issues if not taxes, freedoms, personal responsibilties?
 
Then prove to me that Discouraged Workers include any of those baby boomers getting ready to retire?

How are older, laid-off workers faring? - Business - Answer Desk - msnbc.com

What stock market losses?

Equity markets are at (or near) the price levels in 2000.

Obama has saved us all. Why would anyone be discouraged with our "Hope and Change" President?

You know, i bet in real life you are a pretty good guy. It is a shame that you allowed a democrat in the white house to get the best of you.....
 
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