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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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Conservative said:
When liberals don't have a record to run on they always go for the throat with politics of personal destruction. Anything to divert from the Obama record. Good to see you here as it has been lonesome
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LOL, just scanning I do work overtime most days(actually every day) and this was a real late day, 16 hours of work. Although I do see you are out numbered most of the times. Keep the faith ;)
 
deltabtry said:
LOL, just scanning I do work overtime most days(actually every day) and this was a real late day, 16 hours of work. Although I do see you are out numbered most of the times. Keep the faith ;)
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He needs the help
 
Conservative said:
Won't have that problem this time as he has a record to run on. Want me to post it again?
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Why would I care if you post it again or not? Do you not remember? I'm the one who suggested you make it your signature so you wouldn't have to cut & paste it all the time. I get the feeling you're under the delusion that it bothers me that you post it.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Is that a admission of guilt that Republicans had nothing to run on in the last presidential election when they were trying to paint Obama as a Indonesian Moslem with more social security numbers than aliases who hung out with terrorists and racist preachers and didn't have a birth certificate?
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Actually some day you will see that neither party has your interest in mind, unless your a receiving member of one or the other party. Voter loyalty by party has gotten it supporters no where in the 30 years. You would be wise not to put all your eggs in one basket, along with condemning a candidate over just one or two issues. Vote for the one who will do less damaged to the constitution and one that wishes not to be progressive to quickly, revolutionaries are inherently dangerous and you usually end up worse than when you started.
 
Conservative said:
You don't want me to call attention to your leaning then don't post it.I see nothing libertarian in your posts.
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How is my political lean relevant to the discussion? Exactly, it's not! You've simply run out of ammo and resort to low brow tactics as a means of debate.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Is that a admission of guilt that Republicans had nothing to run on in the last presidential election when they were trying to paint Obama as a Indonesian Moslem with more social security numbers than aliases who hung out with terrorists and racist preachers and didn't have a birth certificate?
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I think, the Black vote wasn't enough to get Obama elected on his own, but if they had voted in ordinary numbers and done it for the candidate who they thought was best for the country, regardless of race, he might not have won.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
How is my political lean relevant to the discussion? Exactly, it's not! You've simply run out of ammo and resort to low brow tactics as a means of debate.
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So that is what you call a personal attack, pointing out your leanings?

So to stay on topic

As stated, Perry, net job gain, growing labor force, more jobs created, balanced budget; Obama, net job loss, declining labor force, fewer people working, 4 trillion added to the debt. How is that hope and change working out for you,
 
Goldenboy219 said:
How is my political lean relevant to the discussion? Exactly, it's not! You've simply run out of ammo and resort to low brow tactics as a means of debate.
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I always thought conservatives were usually expressing or implying the same idea with libertarian....more liberty, more responsibility, less interference, etc, etc

What is your true lean?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Why would I care if you post it again or not? Do you not remember? I'm the one who suggested you make it your signature so you wouldn't have to cut & paste it all the time. I get the feeling you're under the delusion that it bothers me that you post it.
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Someone set up a few hot keys for the om.

An F key …for whatever for random bls numbers.

now I guess its another F key for …

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
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Evidently he somehow he managed to get this one up and running on his own.

As stated, Perry, net job gain, growing labor force, more jobs created, balanced budget; Obama, net job loss, declining labor force, fewer people working, 4 trillion added to the debt. How is that hope and change working out for you,
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We can only hope he runs out of hot keys sometime soon or we will be seeing more robotic nonsense.

An om with a computer sometimes can become an annoyance.Especially when they don’t get their afternoon nap and a double shot of Metamucil.:2wave:
 
Conservative said:
So that is what you call a personal attack, pointing out your leanings?
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It would not be an ad ohm if you were simply pointing out my leaning. However, what you attempted to do is discredit me because I do not fall for the same empty-minded economic reasoning that plagues a great deal of that particular platform.

If you lack the ability to put together sound economic reasoning, then simply do not reply. Getting personal with me is not a valid substitute.
 
ric27 said:
I always thought conservatives were usually expressing or implying the same idea with libertarian....more liberty, more responsibility, less interference, etc, etc

What is your true lean?
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This would be true, but IMO a true conservative is a constitutionalist which embraces everything you just posted, in the day the constitution was a liberal document. That said Liberals today are socialist, I can't understand why they call themselves liberals.
 
Goldenboy219 said:


It would not be an ad ohm if you were simply pointing out my leaning. However, what you attempted to do is discredit me because I do not fall for the same empty-minded economic reasoning that plagues a great deal of that particular platform.

If you lack the ability to put together sound economic reasoning, then simply do not reply. Getting personal with me is not a valid substitute.
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On most social issues, the left wants to control people, "for their own good". Rather than giving to charity to support the needy, according to your own desires (libertarian), the left wants you taxed so they can decide how it is spent and where.

Is that your true lean?
 
ric27 said:
I always thought conservatives were usually expressing or implying the same idea with libertarian....more liberty, more responsibility, less interference, etc, etc

What is your true lean?
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You describe those close to anarcho-capitalists; while it is a segment of the libertarian party, the drivel they peddle ensures their sect will remain in obscurity.
 
deltabtry said:
That said Liberals today are socialist, I can't understand why they call themselves liberals.
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Way to kill your credibility. Socialists do not believe in property rights:prof
 
Goldenboy219 said:
You describe those close to anarcho-capitalists; while it is a segment of the libertarian party, the drivel they peddle ensures their sect will remain in obscurity.
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I'm trying to get a lock on your leaning...

Are you against social security?
 
Here are a few of the gang that perry hangs with. :2wave:

< An emerging Christian movement that seeks to take dominion over politics, business and culture in preparation for the end times and the return of Jesus, is becoming more of a presence in American politics.>

< Two ministries in the movement planned and orchestrated Texas Gov. Rick Perry's recent prayer rally, where apostles and prophets from around the nation spoke or appeared onstage. >


< Tabachnick says the movement currently works with a variety of politicians and has a presence in all 50 states. It also has very strong opinions about the direction it wants the country to take.>


< The organizers of Perry's rally were from ministries founded by two apostles/prophets of the movement — The Call, and the International House of Prayer founded by Mike Bickle. Bickle, who led part of Perry's event, has claimed that Oprah Winfrey is a precursor of the Antichrist, and Engle has claimed that gay people are controlled by "demonic spirits." Both have served on the Council of Prophetic Elders initiated by Wagner. >


The New Apostolic Reformation: The Evangelicals Engaged In Spiritual Warfare : NPR
 
ric27 said:
On most social issues, the left wants to control people, "for their own good". Rather than giving to charity to support the needy, according to your own desires (libertarian), the left wants you taxed so they can decide how it is spent and where.

Is that your true lean?
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You would think that liberals would want low taxes and high social spending. Wait, that is neoconservatism.
 
deltabtry said:
Actually some day you will see that neither party has your interest in mind
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That day has already come and passed. I've believed that for a while now, though some of my interests are protected by the Democrat party. But my support for Democrats over Republicans stems more from watching Republicans put party over country, even at the detriment of the nation. I can't support a party which is so vile, that it would drag the country through an impeachment because the president lied to conceal an extramarital affair and because they could score some political points.

deltabtry said:
Vote for the one who will do less damaged to the constitution and one that wishes not to be progressive to quickly, revolutionaries are inherently dangerous and you usually end up worse than when you started.
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It was the Supreme Court and the likelihood of at least one Liberal retiring from the bench which was the main reason I voted for Obama.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That day has already come and passed. I've believed that for a while now, though some of my interests are protected by the Democrat party. But my support for Democrats over Republicans stems more from watching Republicans put party over country, even at the detriment of the nation. I can't support a party which is so vile, that it would drag the country through an impeachment because the president lied to conceal an extramarital affair and because they could score some political points.


It was the Supreme Court and the likelihood of at least one Liberal retiring from the bench which was the main reason I voted for Obama.
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At least, you're honest about it
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That day has already come and passed. I've believed that for a while now, though some of my interests are protected by the Democrat party. But my support for Democrats over Republicans stems more from watching Republicans put party over country, even at the detriment of the nation. I can't support a party which is so vile, that it would drag the country through an impeachment because the president lied to conceal an extramarital affair and because they could score some political points.


It was the Supreme Court and the likelihood of at least one Liberal retiring from the bench which was the main reason I voted for Obama.
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Fair enough, I think the same about some of the Democrats and republicans too and their shenanigans, but that said I won't condemn the entire party. Although currently I think both parties are far beyond redemption and should be kicked, the American people really do need to send a message. Perry I am withholding judgement and for Obama well he is just very dangerous to our beloved constitution. Although again, for Perry I don't agree with him on several issues I think he is over stepping his boundaries or attempting to, typical noob mistake.
 
ric27 said:
Could you please elaborate "to a point" and what about Medicare?
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I don't believe higher net worth individuals should receive S.S.

Medicare is necessary to remove high risk individuals off private risk pools and out of bankruptcy court.
 
deltabtry said:
Fair enough, I think the same about some of the Democrats and republicans too and their shenanigans, but that said I won't condemn the entire party. Although currently I think both parties are far beyond redemption and should be kicked, the American people really do need to send a message. Perry I am withholding judgement and for Obama well he is just very dangerous to our beloved constitution. Although again, for Perry I don't agree with him on several issues I think he is over stepping his boundaries or attempting to, typical noob mistake.
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You strike me as...you do not follow political leaders, it's whether they follow you. You have your beliefs and positions and you vote for those who come closest. You don't change to follow them.

Am I correct?
 
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