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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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Conservative said:
Hey, you and Adam do some research and show us the bill that was put together for Universal Healthcare. I don't recall seeing that bill.
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I never said there was a bill....but all you have to do is spend 2 minutes on Google and you will see that the insurance mandate is a Republican idea that has been tossed around for over a decade.
 
Conservative said:
Good, I am sure they appreciate your support. As for now Perry is tied with Obama

Obama vs. Romney
Gallup
8/17 - 8/18 879 RV 46 48 Romney +2

Obama vs. Perry
Gallup
8/17 - 8/18 879 RV 47 47 Tie
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And that is about as good as it is going to get for Perry. Once people see through his rhetoric and actually look at his record, it is downhill from there.

I would LOVE Perry to beat Romney for the nomination. Perry would lose worse than McCain.
 
disneydude said:
It is one thing to be a "Spiritual fruit".....it is a completely different thing to be a "religious nut". Enough said.....Perry is a radical whacko that most Americans will shun.
Don't believe me?.......put your money where you mouth is and help him get the nomination.
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With regards to religion, where has any of the candidates imposed their religious beliefs on anyone else?

The evangelicals have been part of the conservative base for decades. Who do you think is worse for America? Fallwell or Louis Farrakhan, Father Pfleger and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Is Marxist Black Liberation Theology more acceptable to you than Christianity? You have the right to prefer one over the other, don't get me wrong. I just think you're taking an emotion based position on this one without really considering the facts.
 
disneydude said:
I never said there was a bill....but all you have to do is spend 2 minutes on Google and you will see that the insurance mandate is a Republican idea that has been tossed around for over a decade.
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If there wasn't a bill all it was then was talk, So it was tossed around, that is hardly creating a law which Obama did with Obamacare. I didn't support it then and don't support it now. The majority agree with me but again what does this have to do with the thread topic. Liberals love to divert to keep from discussing the thread topic

By the way, did you see the latest

Obama vs. Romney
Gallup
8/17 - 8/18 879 RV 46 48 Romney +2

Obama vs. Perry
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8/17 - 8/18 879 RV 47 47 Tie
 
disneydude said:
And that is about as good as it is going to get for Perry. Once people see through his rhetoric and actually look at his record, it is downhill from there.

I would LOVE Perry to beat Romney for the nomination. Perry would lose worse than McCain.
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I believe McCain could beat Obama this time around as most people that voted for Obama were brainwashed. the 38% JAR shows they have woken up. Only the diehards support him now and the record show why?
 
ric27 said:
With regards to religion, where has any of the candidates imposed their religious beliefs on anyone else?

The evangelicals have been part of the conservative base for decades. Who do you think is worse for America? Fallwell or Louis Farrakhan, Father Pfleger and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Is Marxist Black Liberation Theology more acceptable to you than Christianity? You have the right to prefer one over the other, don't get me wrong. I just think you're taking an emotion based position on this one without really considering the facts.
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I put Fallwell and Farrakhan in the same boat, they are just opposite ends of the extreme...neither is better or worse for America than the other.

The simple reality is, the vast majority of Americans don't want a religious extremist in office at either end of the spectrum. Perry's views are so out of the mainstream of America that he will certainly appeal to the radical right-wing of the GOP, but he will turn off moderates and will certainly not attract independents.

Why do you think that I want him to get the nomination? He, along with Palin and/or Bachmann would certainly energize the base, but you can't win the GE with your base, you have to be able to attract the moderates and independents and none of those three can.
 
disneydude said:
And that is about as good as it is going to get for Perry. Once people see through his rhetoric and actually look at his record, it is downhill from there.

I would LOVE Perry to beat Romney for the nomination. Perry would lose worse than McCain.
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Your reasoning doesn't make any sense

Romney lost against McCain and McCain lost against Obama yet Romney is the better choice over Perry to beat Obama and Perry would lose worse than McCain?
 
Conservative said:
I believe McCain could beat Obama this time around as most people that voted for Obama were brainwashed. the 38% JAR shows they have woken up. Only the diehards support him now and the record show why?
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Run McCain then....and lets see.....LOL......Con.....you are too much.
 
ric27 said:
Your reasoning doesn't make any sense

Romney lost against McCain and McCain lost against Obama yet Romney is the better choice over Perry to beat Obama and Perry would lose worse than McCain?
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You obviously don't understand the difference between getting the primary nomination and winning in the general election.
 
Conservative said:
I don't take anyone seriously that claims anyone else has religious baggage. With 80% of this country or better believing in God, not sure that is a negative and if it is, so be it, I will take that over the alternative.
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Religious baggage means more than just believing in God. It means having a dogmatic belief, wanting to limit rights based on the "bible's teachings" using religion to dismiss concerns about global warming etc. Those are the people Parry associate with. They are the ones who lead his Payer Event aka The Call.
 
Plus...the other problem for Perry, aside from his extremist views, is being Governor of Texas, he is going to have the stigma of looking eerily similar to GWB...and we all know what happened to this country the last time a Texas Governor was in charge. I don't think the American people are going to embrace Perry that well.
 
disneydude said:
Run McCain then....and lets see.....LOL......Con.....you are too much.
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So are you, Disney, a true liberal ideologue that supports 2 1/2 years of failed or lack of leadership and the following results.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
 
Conservative said:
So are you, Disney, a true liberal ideologue that supports 2 1/2 years of failed or lack of leadership and the following results.
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You can't be a leader if half the governing body hates you.
 
Conservative said:
I believe McCain could beat Obama this time around as most people that voted for Obama were brainwashed. the 38% JAR shows they have woken up. Only the diehards support him now and the record show why?
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Ya sure about that?

[h=3]McCain's approval 2nd lowest among U.S. senators[/h]http://www.kold.com/story/14590632/mccains-approval-2nd-lowest-among-us-senators
 
Conservative said:
So are you, Disney, a true liberal ideologue that supports 2 1/2 years of failed or lack of leadership and the following results.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
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In true hypocritical Con form you are the perfect epitome of the black kettle....considering that GWB was by far a bigger disaster who took a surplus and mortgaged the integrity and soul of our country...and yet.......you not only voted for him once......but several times.

Look at the vast majority of the American people. They know who is primarily responsible for the economic mess that this country is in. You, however, are so infatuated with your admiration for a proven failure that you cannot see beyond it. That is downright comical.

BTW....I'm not the one that has a flop as my avatar.....lol.......
 
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disneydude said:
In true hypocritical Con form you are the perfect epitome of the black kettle....considering that GWB was by far a bigger disaster who took a surplus and mortgaged the integrity and soul of our country...and yet.......you not only voted for him once......but several times.

Look at the vast majority of the American people. They know who is primarily responsible for the economic mess that this country is in. You, however, are so infatuated with your admiration for a proven failure that you cannot see beyond it. That is downright comical.
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Blaming just Bush is retarded. It was a massive failure of the system starting during Reagan.
 
ric27 said:
With regards to religion, where has any of the candidates imposed their religious beliefs on anyone else?
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Both Perry and Bachmann have ties to Dominionism. Basically, Domionists believe in Christians having the right to rule all Earthly institutions, and that the Bible should exclusively rule society to the exclusion of secular law. In other words, the First Amendment does not

For all of Conservatives' collective worry about Wright and Ayers, they don't seem very concerned about the people that Perry and Bachmann know. John Eismoe, for example, was deemed to extreme by the Tea Party.
 
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disneydude said:
Plus...the other problem for Perry, aside from his extremist views, is being Governor of Texas, he is going to have the stigma of looking eerily similar to GWB...and we all know what happened to this country the last time a Texas Governor was in charge. I don't think the American people are going to embrace Perry that well.
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Aw, but the numbers are changing in response to the results being generated. Suggest you start paying closer attention to what "your" President is doing and not what you think he is going

CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
 
disneydude said:
In true hypocritical Con form you are the perfect epitome of the black kettle....considering that GWB was by far a bigger disaster who took a surplus and mortgaged the integrity and soul of our country...and yet.......you not only voted for him once......but several times.

Look at the vast majority of the American people. They know who is primarily responsible for the economic mess that this country is in. You, however, are so infatuated with your admiration for a proven failure that you cannot see beyond it. That is downright comical.

BTW....I'm not the one that has a flop as my avatar.....lol.......
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What you bought from the media is similar to the bs you are buying from Obama and the numbers are changing. BEA.gov will show that economic growth wasn't as bad as you have been led to believe and trumps Obama big time, even with the recession in 2001 along with 9/11 and then the financial meltdown Bush had a net job gain, something that Obama doesn't have. Bush also had a growing labor force which Obama doesn't have. Then there is the debt, Bush added 4.9 trillion in 8 years and Obama has added 4 trillion in 3. "Your" President is incompetent and an empty suit yet you buy the rhetoric. I feel sorry for Obama supporters

CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
 
disneydude said:
You obviously don't understand the difference between getting the primary nomination and winning in the general election.
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Some advice to help you....


Perry doesn't need to be perfect, just better than Obama, and judging by current competition that shouldn't be too hard.
 
rocket88 said:
Both Perry and Bachmann have ties to Dominionism. Basically, Domionists believe in Christians having the right to rule all Earthly institutions, and that the Bible should exclusively rule society to the exclusion of secular law. In other words, the First Amendment does not

For all of Conservatives' collective worry about Wright and Ayers, they don't seem very concerned about the people that Perry and Bachmann know. John Eismoe, for example, was deemed to extreme by the Tea Party.
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Let's see, Perry has a net jobs gain, growing labor force, a balanced two year budget vs. the Obama record? Hmmmmm, think I will choose Perry
 
Conservative said:
Aw, but the numbers are changing in response to the results being generated. Suggest you start paying closer attention to what "your" President is doing and not what you think he is going

CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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Poor presidents always do better polling after the public has had a chance to forget about them. Even Nixon's numbers have gone way up. The only way to really compare is to look at their numbers while they were on the job....and by that standard, even at his low numbers, Obama is still far ahead of GWB.
 
Conservative said:
Let's see, Perry has a net jobs gain, growing labor force, a balanced two year budget vs. the Obama record? Hmmmmm, think I will choose Perry
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I can just see his campaign slogan...."Elect me....and I guarantee minimum wage jobs for everyone across America, massive cuts to education, but unlimited corporate welfare!!!".....Yea,,, no.....I don't think that is going to sell too well.
 
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