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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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You don't think Texas hitting its highest unemployment rate in 25 years under Perry is going to hurt him? ANd trending upwards, no less.

Nope, TX isn't insulated from the national economy that Obama has destroyed and TX rate continues to be lower than the national rate and actual private sector growth is good in TX unlike the national level where private sector jobs are actual showing a net loss since January 2009.
 
Nope, TX isn't insulated from the national economy that Obama has destroyed and TX rate continues to be lower than the national rate and actual private sector growth is good in TX unlike the national level where private sector jobs are actual showing a net loss since January 2009.
The economy was destroyed by the repubs over 2001 - 2006, the housing bubble was allowed to blow up, the six biggest banks (the investment banks) were allowed to triple their leverage which directly led to their failure, the mortgage companies were not regulated, and fannie and freddie were not regulated.

The housing bubble popped in 2007, the recession started in Dec. 2007 (ECRI), the banking system failed in 2008, the stock market crashed in 2008, so the economy was already WRECKED by the repubs in 2009 when Obama took office. Obama has halted the contraction of GDP he inherited from Bush, unemployment bottomed and has begun to improve. It is improving slower than anybody wants. However, there is nothing to indicate that Obama has destroyed the economy as you stated.
 
I like how you ignored your own post and how you ignore that the TX rate is under the national rate and how TX is creating Jobs having a net job gain since 2009 and Obama has a net job loss nationally.
Meanwhile, their unemployment rate is at a 25 year high and up 31% since Obama became president.
 
You don't think Texas hitting its highest unemployment rate in 25 years under Perry is going to hurt him? ANd trending upwards, no less.
Like most states it's weathering a recession, non the less it still growing, except the public sector and construction which is where you get your figures is it not. The private sector on the other hand is still growing and the public sector will get little or no concern from your average voter, nation wide.
 
LOL, good move, but regardless most liberals will still ignore it. I bookmarked it so now have that for future reference when people like Sheik, Winston, Pb start talking about TX again.
How come you don't bookmark the 2011 results?
 
Still waiting for you to explain to sheik how TX 8.4% unemployment helps the Obama national numbers which were 9.1%? Do liberals ever challenge another liberal?
You still don't understand that contributing a 31% increase to the national unemployment rate which increased 17% only serves to increase the unemployment rate from when Obama became president??

Dayam!

3h4yr5
 
The economy was destroyed by the repubs over 2001 - 2006, the housing bubble was allowed to blow up, the six biggest banks (the investment banks) were allowed to triple their leverage which directly led to their failure, the mortgage companies were not regulated, and fannie and freddie were not regulated.

The housing bubble popped in 2007, the recession started in Dec. 2007 (ECRI), the banking system failed in 2008, the stock market crashed in 2008, so the economy was already WRECKED by the repubs in 2009 when Obama took office. Obama has halted the contraction of GDP he inherited from Bush, unemployment bottomed and has begun to improve. It is improving slower than anybody wants. However, there is nothing to indicate that Obama has destroyed the economy as you stated.

Aw, bull****, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Where was your outrage over the dot.com bubble bursting and the recession that Bush inherited. Facts always get in the way of liberals who continue to bet indoctrinated by a leftwing media.

Nothing to indicate Obama has destroyed the economy? Obama is incompetent, no leadership skills, and no management experience. Looking like a double dip.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
 
You still don't understand that contributing a 31% increase to the national unemployment rate which increased 17% only serves to increase the unemployment rate from when Obama became president??

Dayam!

3h4yr5

Still don't get it, do you, the labor force increased in TX and decreased nationally as people keep flocking to TX. If the labor force increases what will that do to the unemployment rate? Explain to us all how 8.4% unemployment is worse than 9.1%? TX has a net job gain and Obama has a net job loss. Thanks to TX it isn't as bad as it could have been.
 
How come you don't bookmark the 2011 results?
Here it is and 2011 isn't even over yet and being second is far better than being even in say third place or better yet sixth. Now you can talk figures and most voters eyes will glaze over and click, onto the next channel. Now to speak of where the jobs are and who is hiring and the voter pays attention and currently Virginia and Texas are on top.
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Obama is a ideolog and one can not run a country being a ideolog, you can fight a revolution being a ideolog but one can't run a country, it will never happen and it never has with any success.
 
Like most states it's weathering a recession, non the less it still growing, except the public sector and construction which is where you get your figures is it not. The private sector on the other hand is still growing and the public sector will get little or no concern from your average voter, nation wide.
I see ... so Texas, at 25 year high unemployment rate (and climbing) is "weathering a recession" but the nation as a whole with a 9.1% unemployment rate, down from its peak at 10.1% and dropping, is not?

I'm confused why you think that gives Perry a pass but not Obama?
 
Aw, bull****, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Where was your outrage over the dot.com bubble bursting and the recession that Bush inherited. Facts always get in the way of liberals who continue to bet indoctrinated by a leftwing media.
Just a guess, but I suspect the dot com bubble burst wasn't nearly as detrimental to the economy as the real estate bubble. Not to mention, even after the dot com bubble, which hit the stock market hard, the stock market was still 2 to 3 times higher than it was when Clinton started. So overall, people still made a killing in the market. Whereas the real estate bust nearly collapsed our economy and the affects are still being felt as housing prices continue dropping and foreclosures are still at near record levels.
 
I see ... so Texas, at 25 year high unemployment rate (and climbing) is "weathering a recession" but the nation as a whole with a 9.1% unemployment rate, down from its peak at 10.1% and dropping, is not?

I'm confused why you think that gives Perry a pass but not Obama?

I know, I know, call on me, I know!!

Labor force in TX growing, labor force nationally declining. If you drop the labor force and don't count those people as being unemployed what do you think will happen to the unemployment rate? The real key is employment for that is where tax revenue comes from. TX has a growing employment number and nationally that employment number continues to drop. TX has a net job gain especially in the private sector and nationally that private sector number is down thus a net job loss. Spin that reality as I am sure you will
 
Just a guess, but I suspect the dot com bubble burst wasn't nearly as detrimental to the economy as the real estate bubble. Not to mention, even after the dot com bubble, which hit the stock market hard, the stock market was still 2 to 3 times higher than it was when Clinton started. So overall, people still made a killing in the market. Whereas the real estate bust nearly collapsed our economy and the affects are still being felt as housing prices continue dropping and foreclosures are still at near record levels.

Kind of like that 14000 that Bush had during his term? For some reason you really have BDS bad, not sure why but you really should seek help. "Your" President is incompetent and a total disaster but all you can do is blame Bush. That is what people who have never managed or led anything always do. Obama is your kind of leader, delegating authority as well as blame. Wonder if you do that too?
 
Still don't get it, do you, the labor force increased in TX and decreased nationally as people keep flocking to TX. If the labor force increases what will that do to the unemployment rate?
If the state has enough jobs to keep up with demand, the unemployment rate stays level.

Explain to us all how 8.4% unemployment is worse than 9.1%?
I never said it was. What a pity you're too dishonest a poster to repeat what I actually said.
 
If the state has enough jobs to keep up with demand, the unemployment rate stays level.


I never said it was. What a pity you're too dishonest a poster to repeat what I actually said.

Or you can do what Obama has done, reduce the labor force so you don't have to count them as being unemployed. That seems to be the liberal plan.
 
Rogue, first of all thank you for your service. Now for the negative you don't know what you are talking about but do a great job spreading media talking points. I suggest you do some better research. Of course President's use money to create Federal Jobs but certainly not at this level. It isn't the Federal Government's job to bail out unions and state teachers' jobs. Where did you ever get that idea.

What govt. money did Perry use to bring businesses to TX? Do you understand that when you say govt. money you are saying taxpayer money? Is it the taxpayers of TX responsibility to fund jobs in California? You do realize that Federal Tax dollars come from all taxpayers from all over the nation?

Not only did Perry use federal government money to help TX create more jobs, including government jobs,

Perry relies on 'Texas miracle' to advance presidential bid - The Irish Times - Mon, Aug 22, 2011

he also used state money to start a program that gives grants to companies for moving their business to TX. Granted he was not alone in the creation of this program and it isn't a bad program, I am just pointing out where taxpayer money is being used to create jobs in TX. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be done very fairly, since many of those getting these grants and/or jobs from the governor are also his campaign contributors.

Besides this, a good portion of those jobs being created are due to the rise in military personnel in TX. Since our military is funded by the federal taxpayers and the governor of a state has very little say in an increase in military personnel in his state, besides maybe to refuse it, then you cannot say that it was Gov. Perry who created those jobs. It was technically taxpayer money paying for those military personnel and their support needs that led to an increase in population of those areas, and therefore, an increase in business in those areas where military personnel are in TX.

Healthcare needs are personal and everyone's living habits are different thus there is no one size fits all program. There is nothing in Obamacare that lowers healthcare costs and the Federal Mandate will be proven unconstitutional. The poor get healthcare from Medicaid and other state programs so why Obamacare? That is part of the nanny state that liberals seem to want. Show a utopian country with Obamacare type healthcare?

First of all, from the start of me entering this thread, I have said that I believe Obamacare is wrong (read: unconstitutional). It is mandating people to purchase insurance.

Second of all, show me a utopian society at all in this world and we can discuss how they handle healthcare. I'm pretty sure you won't find one. I would like to see a NHC system, not mandated national health insurance. It would be more practical than either continuing to cover everyone who absolutely cannot pay or allowing those who can't pay to suffer due to the high price of health care.

Obama was hired based upon his rhetoric and not his resume. He is incompetent and has zero leadership skills. There is no comparision between Obama and Perry. I have seen nothing from your POV that is accurate in describing Perry but I do see DNC talking points and down right lies. I am still waiting for proof of those bribes to get business to come to TX. He doesn't have to bribe anyone, TX has no state income taxes. Let Obama have his way and raise taxes on those evil rich people and businesses, you are going to see a lot of businesses move to states with lower taxes. What affect will that have on your state? Think about it?

And I didn't vote for Obama. I voted for McCain.

I agree, Obama has little leadership skills, but I also believe the same thing about Perry. I have looked at what is going on in TX and what his stances are on other issues, besides economic ones. I do not like him in either situation. Show me what exactly Perry has done to increase TX job creation, instead of just giving numbers. The numbers do not equal the policies, they would be the result of multiple factors, that I have mentioned. You want to prove me wrong, show me some facts and some policies that he implemented/suggested that actually helped bring jobs to his state without hurting the budget or any other part of the state, including education and healthcare.

Plus, you have yet to address the more social issues that I take issue with him on. Those are important to me too, since the economy is only part of this country and not likely going to get much worse at this point the way it is currently going.
 
TX has a net job gain especially in the private sector and nationally that private sector number is down thus a net job loss. Spin that reality as I am sure you will

Yep those extra jobs like McDonald s have REALLY helped the families grown their income. It's good that so called "AMERICANS" such as yourself have helped America become more like China. Hell, I would rather your kind in Texas just walk in front of a oncoming bus, it would be less harmful to America.
 
I see ... so Texas, at 25 year high unemployment rate (and climbing) is "weathering a recession" but the nation as a whole with a 9.1% unemployment rate, down from its peak at 10.1% and dropping, is not?

I'm confused why you think that gives Perry a pass but not Obama?

I see ... so Texas, at 25 year high unemployment rate (and climbing) is "weathering a recession" but the nation as a whole with a 9.1% unemployment rate, down from its peak at 10.1% and dropping, is not?
Your figures are coming from the public sect and construction, and currently that does affect your average voter looking for a job.

I'm confused why you think that gives Perry a pass but not Obama?
who says I am giving him a free pass? I am just not ready to pounce on a candidate because he maybe religious or has a R next to his name, I'll reserve my judgment for now. Obama has bee at it for three years now and he has failed.
 
Aw, bull****, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Where was your outrage over the dot.com bubble bursting and the recession that Bush inherited. Facts always get in the way of liberals who continue to bet indoctrinated by a leftwing media.

Nothing to indicate Obama has destroyed the economy? Obama is incompetent, no leadership skills, and no management experience. Looking like a double dip.

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
Bull **** on you. The govt. played NO role in the dot com bubble, it was pure investor speculation. Interest rates were at normal levels, no govt. subsidy to anyone. That was pure investor stupidity.

And one time you say Obama is destroying the economy, I call you on it and you have NOTHING. Lack of leadership, HA, Jack that ain't "destroying the economy". Looking like a double dip "is not a double dip". It is normal after a recession to provide stimulus to jump start the economy, and it is normal for the economy to slow a bit when the stimulus is removed (as this one has been spent out). Until it IS a double dip, you got nothing!

1.3% GDP is better than Bush ended his admin with, and the downgrade in the credit was predicated on congress not being able to get its act together, (primarily because of the tea party repubs insistence on no closing of unnecessary tax loopholes) and S&P said just that. Obama's JAR at 40% is twice as good as Bush ended with. Given the severity of the situation he was handed, Obama has done OK. I would have preferred to see a long term building infrastructure program like replacement of aging bridges around the nation that would have run 20 years, like building the interstate highway system, but what was done has certainly not "destroyed the economy" as you said.
 
Not only did Perry use federal government money to help TX create more jobs, including government jobs,

Perry relies on 'Texas miracle' to advance presidential bid - The Irish Times - Mon, Aug 22, 2011

he also used state money to start a program that gives grants to companies for moving their business to TX. Granted he was not alone in the creation of this program and it isn't a bad program, I am just pointing out where taxpayer money is being used to create jobs in TX. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be done very fairly, since many of those getting these grants and/or jobs from the governor are also his campaign contributors.

Besides this, a good portion of those jobs being created are due to the rise in military personnel in TX. Since our military is funded by the federal taxpayers and the governor of a state has very little say in an increase in military personnel in his state, besides maybe to refuse it, then you cannot say that it was Gov. Perry who created those jobs. It was technically taxpayer money paying for those military personnel and their support needs that led to an increase in population of those areas, and therefore, an increase in business in those areas where military personnel are in TX.



First of all, from the start of me entering this thread, I have said that I believe Obamacare is wrong (read: unconstitutional). It is mandating people to purchase insurance.

Second of all, show me a utopian society at all in this world and we can discuss how they handle healthcare. I'm pretty sure you won't find one. I would like to see a NHC system, not mandated national health insurance. It would be more practical than either continuing to cover everyone who absolutely cannot pay or allowing those who can't pay to suffer due to the high price of health care.



And I didn't vote for Obama. I voted for McCain.

I agree, Obama has little leadership skills, but I also believe the same thing about Perry. I have looked at what is going on in TX and what his stances are on other issues, besides economic ones. I do not like him in either situation. Show me what exactly Perry has done to increase TX job creation, instead of just giving numbers. The numbers do not equal the policies, they would be the result of multiple factors, that I have mentioned. You want to prove me wrong, show me some facts and some policies that he implemented/suggested that actually helped bring jobs to his state without hurting the budget or any other part of the state, including education and healthcare.

Plus, you have yet to address the more social issues that I take issue with him on. Those are important to me too, since the economy is only part of this country and not likely going to get much worse at this point the way it is currently going.

sorry but without a strong economy and defense nothing else matters. As for govt. jobs, TX has a labor force of over 12 million and 1.8 million govt. jobs or less than 10%. The Irish times? Come on, you can do better than that. Read what has been posted here on economic results for TX and then go to bls.gov and research the site. That has all the employment data you could ever want. Show me that you aren't really a full blown liberal and get the facts.

As for social issues, I am against SSM and never will be, Civil unions serve the same purpose and the only ones that want SSM are the trouble makers and I have no use for them. I am a traditionalist and will always remain one
 
Bull **** on you. The govt. played NO role in the dot com bubble, it was pure investor speculation. Interest rates were at normal levels, no govt. subsidy to anyone. That was pure investor stupidity.

And one time you say Obama is destroying the economy, I call you on it and you have NOTHING. Lack of leadership, HA, Jack that ain't "destroying the economy". Looking like a double dip "is not a double dip". It is normal after a recession to provide stimulus to jump start the economy, and it is normal for the economy to slow a bit when the stimulus is removed (as this one has been spent out). Until it IS a double dip, you got nothing!

1.3% GDP is better than Bush ended his admin with, and the downgrade in the credit was predicated on congress not being able to get its act together, (primarily because of the tea party repubs insistence on no closing of unnecessary tax loopholes) and S&P said just that. Obama's JAR at 40% is twice as good as Bush ended with. Given the severity of the situation he was handed, Obama has done OK. I would have preferred to see a long term building infrastructure program like replacement of aging bridges around the nation that would have run 20 years, like building the interstate highway system, but what was done has certainly not "destroyed the economy" as you said.

Actual results prove you wrong, keep ignoring them and those numbers are 2 1/2 years after Obama took office. I don't think you really have a clue and think only with your heart. From Houston? Hmmm, must be in Sheil Jackson Lee's District

By the way the Obama stimulus program was sold as an infrastructure program. How did that work out for you?
 
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As for social issues, I am against SSM and never will be, Civil unions serve the same purpose and the only ones that want SSM are the trouble makers and I have no use for them. I am a traditionalist and will always remain one

Ahh so the truth comes out, you tell me I am stupid for wanting SSM in today's climate, but your kind continues to make it a big deal. Hypocrites that YOU support.
 
Yep those extra jobs like McDonald s have REALLY helped the families grown their income. It's good that so called "AMERICANS" such as yourself have helped America become more like China. Hell, I would rather your kind in Texas just walk in front of a oncoming bus, it would be less harmful to America.
I think McDonald's is world wide up to including doing business in all 50 states. Texas is guilty of allowing MacDonalds to hire Texas citizens, then this standard should apply to the remaining 49 states. Just about every major retail business in Texas also exist in the 49 other states as well.
 
Ahh so the truth comes out, you tell me I am stupid for wanting SSM in today's climate, but your kind continues to make it a big deal. Hypocrites that YOU support.

Show me where Marriage is defined in the Constitution and I will change my mind. You have the same rights I have in that area and can marry anyone of the opposite sex that will have you. Your decision is to try and make it a civil right. The only way that is going to happen is if it gets to the Supreme Court and they define it as a civil right. I will wait for that ruling.
 
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