Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

pbrauer said:
You consider this 'treasonous'? That was the actual word he used. Why would Bernanke do this if it were deleterious to the economy???

Treasonous is too harsh of a word but it would harm the U.S. Economy as I stated. Printing money creates inflation and inflation harms the consumer thus the economy.

pbrauer · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

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deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

pbrauer said:
Really? Even Karl Rove criticized Perry for the comment.

Karl Rove...so? Karl Rove knows exactly what the media and others will do with a statement like that but, does Karl Rove think that Perry was serious,. probably not. As a average person and a average voter this B/S with word games really get tiresome. Although Perry should know better, a rookie mistake on a national level, although IMO Obama should be impeached but. I'll just keep that to myself.

ric27 · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And you're denying you vote for the candidate with an "R" after their name ... because ... ?

At 9/10/11% unemployment and a nonexistent economic growth this time next year then Obama is over no matter what the candidate with an "R" after their name runs

Obama is damaged goods

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

pbrauer said:
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You asked why I would vote for someone with a "R" after their name and I gave you the reason. Here it is again

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

pbrauer · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Treasonous is too harsh of a word but it would harm the U.S. Economy as I stated. Printing money creates inflation and inflation harms the consumer thus the economy.

Seriously? If it hurt the economy, it would also hurt President Obama as well, would it not? And Perry stated before the election, sounds to me he is worried he might do it to help the President.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
The national percentage rate is taking the total unemployed and divide it by the labor force. I would have thought somone of your superior intelligence would have understood that but I was wrong. Texas labor force is added to the total as are the unemployed. TX numbers make Obama's look better

Ummm, guess you're not aware ... but Texas' unemployment rate is calculating with the same methodology of factoring the number of unemployed in the state of Texas by the size of the workforce in the state of Texas. Using that methodology, unemployment has risen 31% since Obama became president.

I can't help that you can't comprehend that along with adding in Texas' employment figures is also Texas' workforce figures. How on Earth does the unemployment rate which increases 17% benefit from Texas' increase of 31%?

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

pbrauer said:
Seriously? If it hurt the economy, it would also hurt President Obama as well, would it not? And Perry stated before the election, sounds to me he is worried he might do it to help the President.

Obama is already hurting the economy and the Fed is supposed to be independent and do things to help the economy not the President. Printing money at this time helps no one.

winston53660 · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Obama is already hurting the economy and the Fed is supposed to be independent and do things to help the economy not the President. Printing money at this time helps no one.

It helps exports.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ummm, guess you're not aware ... but Texas' unemployment rate is calculating with the same methodology of factoring the number of unemployed in the state of Texas by the size of the workforce in the state of Texas. Using that methodology, unemployment has risen 31% since Obama became president.

I can't help that you can't comprehend that along with adding in Texas' employment figures is also Texas' workforce figures. How on Earth does the unemployment rate which increases 17% benefit from Texas' increase of 31%?

Keep digging that hold deeper, TX unemployment is lower than the national average and that helps the total number. You simply cannot admit that you are wrong. The change in TX unemployment doesn't matter, the unemployment number does when it relates to the national rate

pbrauer · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
You asked why I would vote for someone with a "R" after their name and I gave you the reason. Here it is again

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

:liar2 I think you wouldn't vote for him regardless of that, right?
Will you vote in the Texas primary for their favorite son - Gov. Rick Perry?

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Don't worry, Sheik, one of these days you will understand that percentage change is based upon the base and the higher the base the lower the percentage change thus total numbers matter. Stick to your technical base because logic and common sense escape you.

Ummm, the difference is greater in percentage points as well...

unemployment rate since January, 2009:

U.S.: 7.8% to 9.1% ... Up 1.3 percentage points.
Texas: 6.4% to 8.4% ... Up 2.0 percentage points.

Like you said, results matter. When it comes to unemployment, Obama has done better then Perry over the same period in time.

Can Obama count on your vote now??

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
I would love to know why minimum wage is even an issue with anyone. The marketplace should dictate wages, not a govt. entity. What do you think an unskilled, uneducated worker should make? Or how about a teen working his first job? Half of the minimum wage jobs are between the ages of 16-24 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics but again why is that an issue. Do you claim to know the finances and cost of living for all those making minimum wage? Wonder who held a gun to their head forcing them to take a minimum wage job? Seems to me that personal responsibility is a lost trait today in this country

Why? Because even a single person has a hard time living in the current economy on minimum wage. Minimum wage means a person is making about $15600 a year, before federal income taxes. Even at $8 an hour, a person only makes about $16600 a year, before taxes. Which means if rent is say $600 a month (the average for a 1bdrm apt in TX), a person is then paying $7200 in rent (if they are able to find an apartment at that rate). Plus utilities (basic) will be another about $1500 a year. Then we figure in food, which means another $300 a month, $3600 for the year. Another about $30 a month for phone, $360 a year. Transportation is going to be at least another $520 for the year, and that is if a person only takes public transportation to work and back and only has to take one bus. If they own a car, it is likely to be more.

With just rent, food, basic utilities, transportation, and phone, things that are considered essential to being able to actually live and work, a person spends $13,180. This doesn't even include any basic toiletry items (tooth brush, toothpaste, shampoo, deodorant, toilet paper, soap), nor does it include any money for clothes or shoes or other things that people usually need to buy sometime throughout the year. Also, a single person will pay about 15% of their yearly to federal taxes. This means a single person making $8 an hour really only brings home about $14,110 a year and I have shown that in TX they would spend at least $13,180 just for essential expenses. That leaves less than $900 a year just for those additional things I mentioned if they are living above minimum wage and don't have a car. If they do happen to be trying to support a family on minimum wage or just above, which some are, those numbers, at least for food and utilities go up, plus more of those things that I touched on.

Even at $10 an hour, it would be difficult to take care of a family on $20,800 a year, which is what many have to do. And when you have gone from a higher paying job, where maybe you were making $50K to $60K a year to a lower paying job where now you are making $20K to $25K a year, that is a big difference and not something that everyone can plan for, even if they were able to get that job before the bulk of any savings they may have had ran out.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Ummm, the difference is greater in percentage points as well...

unemployment rate since January, 2009:

U.S.: 7.8% to 9.1% ... Up 1.3 percentage points.
Texas: 6.4% to 8.4% ... Up 2.0 percentage points.

Like you said, results matter. When it comes to unemployment, Obama has done better then Perry over the same period in time.

Can Obama count on your vote now??

So let me see if I have this right, a 8.4% rate that is lower than the national rate has no affect on that national rate? Man, you haven't a clue. Maybe some liberal here can explain it to you but that might be one of the dumbest statements I have seen you make comparing TX percentage change in unemployment against the national percentage rate and calling that a good thing. TX has helped the Obama unemployment rate lower to 9.1%

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
Why? Because even a single person has a hard time living in the current economy on minimum wage. Minimum wage means a person is making about $15600 a year, before federal income taxes. Even at $8 an hour, a person only makes about $16600 a year, before taxes. Which means if rent is say $600 a month (the average for a 1bdrm apt in TX), a person is then paying $7200 in rent (if they are able to find an apartment at that rate). Plus utilities (basic) will be another about $1500 a year. Then we figure in food, which means another $300 a month, $3600 for the year. Another about $30 a month for phone, $360 a year. Transportation is going to be at least another $520 for the year, and that is if a person only takes public transportation to work and back and only has to take one bus. If they own a car, it is likely to be more.

With just rent, food, basic utilities, transportation, and phone, things that are considered essential to being able to actually live and work, a person spends $13,180. This doesn't even include any basic toiletry items (tooth brush, toothpaste, shampoo, deodorant, toilet paper, soap), nor does it include any money for clothes or shoes or other things that people usually need to buy sometime throughout the year. Also, a single person will pay about 15% of their yearly to federal taxes. This means a single person making $8 an hour really only brings home about $14,110 a year and I have shown that in TX they would spend at least $13,180 just for essential expenses. That leaves less than $900 a year just for those additional things I mentioned if they are living above minimum wage and don't have a car. If they do happen to be trying to support a family on minimum wage or just above, which some are, those numbers, at least for food and utilities go up, plus more of those things that I touched on.

Even at $10 an hour, it would be difficult to take care of a family on $20,800 a year, which is what many have to do. And when you have gone from a higher paying job, where maybe you were making $50K to $60K a year to a lower paying job where now you are making $20K to $25K a year, that is a big difference and not something that everyone can plan for, even if they were able to get that job before the bulk of any savings they may have had ran out.

How doyou know a single person has a hard time making it on minimum wage. You don't know what his expenses are or cost of living as he may be living at home or with roommates. The only thing keeping anyone from making minimum wage long term is the individual. Stop trying to judge everyone else on your perceptions and values.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
Simply posting statistics without the full story behind it isn't right. I'll add just one more piece to the puzzle, when a county, state or country has a large influx of people moving in, it will no doubt affect the unemployment rate will it not? I am sure there are many more medicating circumstances as well.
Map: Where Americans Are Moving - Forbes.com

But this goes both ways. It means that they are not keeping up with the amount of people moving into the state Texas by creating those jobs for them. That is a failure in whatever Perry is doing, since he should be able to reproduce the creation of those jobs he purports were due to his policies when more people move into the state. This isn't happening though.

Rick Perry and his Texas jobs boom: The whole story - Aug. 12, 2011

The reason that jobs growth isn't keeping up is because the policies aren't working that well. Texas simply saw an increase due to circumstances of the time.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
But this goes both ways. It means that they are not keeping up with the amount of people moving into the state Texas by creating those jobs for them. That is a failure in whatever Perry is doing, since he should be able to reproduce the creation of those jobs he purports were due to his policies when more people move into the state. This isn't happening though.

Rick Perry and his Texas jobs boom: The whole story - Aug. 12, 2011

The reason that jobs growth isn't keeping up is because the policies aren't working that well. Texas simply saw an increase due to circumstances of the time.

Since Obama has been in office, TX has more people employed today than January 2009.

Since Obama has been in office, TX has had a labor force increase

Since Obama has been in office, TX has a growing population and more businesses moving to TX

The question is why?

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
But this goes both ways. It means that they are not keeping up with the amount of people moving into the state Texas by creating those jobs for them. That is a failure in whatever Perry is doing, since he should be able to reproduce the creation of those jobs he purports were due to his policies when more people move into the state. This isn't happening though.

Rick Perry and his Texas jobs boom: The whole story - Aug. 12, 2011

The reason that jobs growth isn't keeping up is because the policies aren't working that well. Texas simply saw an increase due to circumstances of the time.

Actually Perry does it for the citizens of that state currently, not those who migrate to Texas who are not citizens or even counted on the census. Perry has no control over who comes and goes but what he can do is create for those who already live in Texas and in that he has been successful.

winston53660 · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Since Obama has been in office, TX has more people employed today than January 2009.

Since Obama has been in office, TX has had a labor force increase

Since Obama has been in office, TX has a growing population and more businesses moving to TX

The question is why?

THis just made me think. Has Perry done anything to adequately address the water needs of this burgeoning population. It is not exactly like we are a water rich state.

deltabtry · Aug 21, 2011

winston53660 said:
THis just made me think. Has Perry done anything to adequately address the water needs of this burgeoning population. It is not exactly like we are a water rich state.

Interesting and a great question.

winston53660 · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
Interesting and a great question.

Someone posted about a desalination plant for Texas last night. But the price was pretty hefty at like $2.82 per gallon.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
Actually Perry does it for the citizens of that state currently, not those who migrate to Texas who are not citizens or even counted on the census. Perry has no control over who comes and goes but what he can do is create for those who already live in Texas and in that he has been successful.

No, he hasn't. He is claiming success from something that is a circumstance of the time.

And some of those jobs are going away. It is likely that due to budget cuts, TX could lose up to about 100000 of those jobs that were created.

Conservative · Aug 21, 2011

roguenuke said:
No, he hasn't. He is claiming success from something that is a circumstance of the time.

And some of those jobs are going away. It is likely that due to budget cuts, TX could lose up to about 100000 of those jobs that were created.

Perry vs. Obama? Who would you vote for and why? You seem to be an expert on what is going on in TX. Do you care about the Obama results?

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

deltabtry said:
Actually Perry does it for the citizens of that state currently, not those who migrate to Texas who are not citizens or even counted on the census.

I'm not talking about that either. Do you honestly think that it is only or even mostly illegal immigrants that are causing the rise in the population of TX? I don't.

But any rise in illegal immigration in TX could also fall on the governor too. What is he doing to ensure that most, if not all, of those jobs that he is claiming to have created are going to only American citizens? Honestly, what is the point of claiming to have created all those jobs if most of the ones that are likely to be long-term are going to non-citizens?

So if he is creating jobs that are going to American citizens, then he should also ensure that there are enough jobs being created for the amount of American citizens moving to the state of TX. This doesn't seem to be happening.

roguenuke · Aug 21, 2011

Conservative said:
Perry vs. Obama? Who would you vote for and why? You seem to be an expert on what is going on in TX. Do you care about the Obama results?

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.

Obama, because he is the lesser of two evils. I look at what both of their records are, what they want to implement in the future, and how likely they are to get those ideas that I like actually enacted or not to get those ideas that I don't like enacted.

Obama: can't stand Obamacare, but it is likely to go away via courts, otherwise, hopefully it can get gone another way within the next 5-10 years
hate stance on immigration, one thing that scares me about keeping him in office
economy issues, he isn't doing well, but neither is Congress or most of the states, I understand that most of the plans require so much compromise that they become useless or hurt more people than they help

Perry: doesn't care about the poor or even, it seems, much about education
seems to be all about giving his campaign donors jobs and contracts rather than actually caring about the people
has no solid plan about the economy, just brings up his state's rankings and job creation as if he is completely responsible, which is not what the evidence suggests
plans on trying to get multiple amendments passed to restrict freedoms, including an anti-SSM amendment (not likely to happen, but still possible if multiple amendments pushed at once)
doesn't seem to hold science in any high regard, despite evidence to the contrary of his own beliefs (big issue with this)
doesn't care about the environment (another hot topic of mine)

Lesser of two evils definitely Obama.