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Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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Again, you don't get it, who are those abusing the ER's taking money from, The Federal Taxpayer or State taxpayer? Who is saying someone in need of healthcare shouldn't have to pay for it? What part of all the programs available don't you understand. Why is it you believe in bigger Federal govt. with a 14.6 trillion dollar debt?

How many times do we have to explain this to you before it seaps through your thick skull? Everyone pays for free health care except the people who receive it. It causes tax receipts to go down. It causes insurance prices to go up. It increases the cost of Medicare and Medicaid. But by all means, stand on the side of the free riders. Perhaps personal responsiblity isn't all it's cracked up to be.
 
How many times do we have to explain this to you before it seaps through your thick skull? Everyone pays for free health care except the people who receive it. It causes tax receipts to go down. It causes insurance prices to go up. It increases the cost of Medicare and Medicaid. But by all means, stand on the side of the free riders. Perhaps personal responsiblity isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Obviously with you it is the government that has to be the parent and force people into personal responsibility issues. Did your parents create a 14.6 trillion dollar debt? Suggest you think for a change and ask yourself who is proposing national healthcare, ones that promote personal responsibility or ones that promote govt. responsibility?

You really hate for profit businesses, don't you? Is that what you were taught or are being taught in school? There are a lot of reasons for rises in insurance prices but you want to focus on the free healthcare that some get. How does Obamacare reduce healthcare costs? What gives the Federal Govt. the right to tell you what to buy? Are there just certain freedoms that you support, like freedom of choice to murder a baby but not freedom of choice to buy or not buy health insurance.
 
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Not a shock since he can appeal to virtually every faction of the Republican base.
But very revealing as to how weak the GOP field of candidates really is that someone can throw their hat in the ring and only 3 days later become the front runner.
 
Obviously with you it is the government that has to be the parent and force people into personal responsibility issues. Did your parents create a 14.6 trillion dollar debt? Suggest you think for a change and ask yourself who is proposing national healthcare, ones that promote personal responsibility or ones that promote govt. responsibility?

You really hate for profit businesses, don't you? Is that what you were taught or are being taught in school? There are a lot of reasons for rises in insurance prices but you want to focus on the free healthcare that some get. How does Obamacare reduce healthcare costs? What gives the Federal Govt. the right to tell you what to buy? Are there just certain freedoms that you support, like freedom of choice to murder a baby but not freedom of choice to buy or not buy health insurance.

Again, you refuse to address the real issue, which is that you are fighting for the right of people to avoid taking responsibility without having to pay any kind of penalty. Stop with the meaningless diversion.
 
Again, you refuse to address the real issue, which is that you are fighting for the right of people to avoid taking responsibility without having to pay any kind of penalty. Stop with the meaningless diversion.

You think it is the government's role to force taking personal responsibility? Who forces you to take personal responsibiltiy? That is a typical leftwing response. The way to force people to take personal responsibility is to prosecute those that violate the laws or don't pay for services rendered. Instead we seem to have bleeding heart liberals who don't seem to understand personal responsibility lecturing the rest of us on how govt. needs to take on that role. Seems to make sense to you but not me.
 
You think it is the government's role to force taking personal responsibility? Who forces you to take personal responsibiltiy? That is a typical leftwing response. The way to force people to take personal responsibility is to prosecute those that violate the laws or don't pay for services rendered. Instead we seem to have bleeding heart liberals who don't seem to understand personal responsibility lecturing the rest of us on how govt. needs to take on that role. Seems to make sense to you but not me.

The legal theory of enforcement doesn't work in this context as it would cost the hospitals more money to prosecute collections than it costs them to simply write it off as a loss.

Unfortunately what he have now is a bunch of make-believe conservatives who talk the talk about personal responsiblity but who won't walk the walk.
 
The legal theory of enforcement doesn't work in this context as it would cost the hospitals more money to prosecute collections than it costs them to simply write it off as a loss.

Unfortunately what he have now is a bunch of make-believe conservatives who talk the talk about personal responsiblity but who won't walk the walk.

You don't seem to understand what personal responsibility actual means. Suggest you look up the definition. It was never the role of the Federal Govt. to force someone else to purchase anything.
 
For those that want to demonize TX for the minimum wage jobs and tie that to Perry, here are the facts

In the United States, 72.9 million workers were paid at hourly rates in 2010, representing 58.8 percent of all wage and salary workers. Of those paid by the hour, 1.8 million earned exactly the prevailing Federal minimum wage and about 2.5 million additional workers earned wages below the minimum. Together, the nearly 4.4 million workers with wages at or below the Federal minimum made up 6.0 percent of all hourly-paid workers in the nation, up from 4.9 percent in 2009.



Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2010

Total TX Labor Force by month

2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5

Minimum Wage employees TX 550,000 or 5% of the work force. Higher percentage of the national total but 5% of the TX work force when the national average is 6%.

What liberals also want to ignore are the Fortune 500 Companies that have relocated to TX. Anything to demonize a state that is doing better than their own.
 
Where is your non partisan source that shows how many Texans in that Kaiser study CHOOSE not to buy healthcare? Does it really matter? why do you think healthcare is a Federal Responsibility since it is the states that pay for ER costs and most of the healthcare expenses. Maybe the govt. ought to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse in the current Medicare program as well as others and focus on their main responsibility, protecting this country.

Your question is logically equivalent to, "Where is the proof that elves/fairies/unicorns don't exist?" You can't prove a negative. Stop shifting the burden of proof.

PolitiFact | One in four Texans lack health insurance

"In June 2011, the Texas unemployment rate was 8.2 percent. That was less than unemployment in collapsed-bubble states like California and Florida, but it was slightly higher than the unemployment rate in New York, and significantly higher than the rate in Massachusetts. By the way, one in four Texans lacks health insurance, the highest proportion in the nation, thanks largely to the state’s small-government approach. Meanwhile, Massachusetts has near-universal coverage thanks to health reform very similar to the 'job-killing' Affordable Care Act."

How come Texas has a higher unemployment rate than New York and especially Massachusetts?
 
For those that want to demonize TX for the minimum wage jobs and tie that to Perry, here are the facts

In the United States, 72.9 million workers were paid at hourly rates in 2010, representing 58.8 percent of all wage and salary workers. Of those paid by the hour, 1.8 million earned exactly the prevailing Federal minimum wage and about 2.5 million additional workers earned wages below the minimum. Together, the nearly 4.4 million workers with wages at or below the Federal minimum made up 6.0 percent of all hourly-paid workers in the nation, up from 4.9 percent in 2009.



Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2010

Total TX Labor Force by month

2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5

Minimum Wage employees TX 550,000 or 5% of the work force. Higher percentage of the national total but 5% of the TX work force when the national average is 6%.

What liberals also want to ignore are the Fortune 500 Companies that have relocated to TX. Anything to demonize a state that is doing better than their own.

Again, you need to check your facts. Texas' minimum-wage-or-lower percentage is 9.5%--the highest in the nation. Seems to me that those who are getting rich are at least in part doing so off the backs of poor, uninsured Texans.
 
Again, you need to check your facts. Texas' minimum-wage-or-lower percentage is 9.5%--the highest in the nation. Seems to me that those who are getting rich are at least in part doing so off the backs of poor, uninsured Texans.

I find it interesting how little you know about Business and the role of the Govt. I stand by my posts which came from the BLS.gov. You ought to become familiar with the site. the fact is TX has one of the largest labor forces in the nation and 550,000 makes it about 6% of the labor force. You don't like the numbers, take it up with BLS. I prefer having people working than sitting on their asses for 2 years collecting unemployment. Any job on the resume is better than no job.

As for your argument on unemployment rate, just saw the numbers and will do some research and will let you know, not that it matters. You have a problem with TX and anyone from TX.
 
I find it interesting how little you know about Business and the role of the Govt. I stand by my posts which came from the BLS.gov. You ought to become familiar with the site. the fact is TX has one of the largest labor forces in the nation and 550,000 makes it about 6% of the labor force. You don't like the numbers, take it up with BLS. I prefer having people working than sitting on their asses for 2 years collecting unemployment. Any job on the resume is better than no job.

As for your argument on unemployment rate, just saw the numbers and will do some research and will let you know, not that it matters. You have a problem with TX and anyone from TX.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Keep on dodging the facts, you're really doing a great job showing how well most conservatives can debate! :roll:
 
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Keep on dodging the facts, you're really doing a great job showing how well most conservatives can debate! :roll:

So did you go to BLS.gov and research the site? No, you prefer Paul Krugman or Politifact and not the major source of unemployment data. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty? I posted the bls data that you didn't counter. BLS is the source of employment, unemployment, and wage data. It does appear that nothing is going to change your mind except age and experience. I assure you that you will. Facts trump feelings.
 
So did you go to BLS.gov and research the site? No, you prefer Paul Krugman or Politifact and not the major source of unemployment data. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty? I posted the bls data that you didn't counter. BLS is the source of employment, unemployment, and wage data. It does appear that nothing is going to change your mind except age and experience. I assure you that you will. Facts trump feelings.

If rightwingers didn't make things up, they'd have nothing to say
 
If rightwingers didn't make things up, they'd have nothing to say

Pretty much. If Conservative actually had a salient point to make, he should have made it by now.
 
So did you go to BLS.gov and research the site? No, you prefer Paul Krugman or Politifact and not the major source of unemployment data. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty? I posted the bls data that you didn't counter. BLS is the source of employment, unemployment, and wage data. It does appear that nothing is going to change your mind except age and experience. I assure you that you will. Facts trump feelings.

Stop arrogantly assuming that you have the facts just because you say so. Your games are doing nothing to win us over.
 
Pretty much. If Conservative actually had a salient point to make, he should have made it by now.

I made my point by posting bls.data showing that TX has 550,000 minimum wage workers which is the highest in the nation BUT the TX labor force is over 12 million so you figure it out what the percentage is. I wonder why this is an issue as apparently you believe it is the Government's role to tell private business what to pay its workers not realizing that when the govt. sets the wage that serves as the maximum wage some companies have to pay when it could be a lot more.

As for your unemployment numbers vs. NY. Population growth in TX is huge as people flock to this state. There are over 2.7 million more people in the labor force in TX than in NY and the population explosion is making it tough on job creation although in July 29,000 of the total jobs Obama claims he created were created in TX. The record of job creation continues for TX and now if we can get Obama out of the WH the unemployment rate will improve. any idea how many people are unemployed because of the moritorium in drilling in the Gulf? Of course not, you just want to bitch about something and divert from the terrible record of "your" President

TX Labor Force July 2011 12.2 million
NY Labor Force July 2011 9.5 million

TX Population is now 24.8 million
NY Population is now 19.5 million

Just think if the NY Population continues to drop they will have fewer unemployed than TX for a long time.
 
Stop arrogantly assuming that you have the facts just because you say so. Your games are doing nothing to win us over.

Oh, I see, Bureau of Labor Statistics isn't credible data but politifact and Paul Krugman are? Got it, thanks. I have no desire to win you over as it is going to take age and experience to do that and it will happen.
 
I made my point by posting bls.data showing that TX has 550,000 minimum wage workers which is the highest in the nation BUT the TX labor force is over 12 million so you figure it out what the percentage is. I wonder why this is an issue as apparently you believe it is the Government's role to tell private business what to pay its workers not realizing that when the govt. sets the wage that serves as the maximum wage some companies have to pay when it could be a lot more.

As for your unemployment numbers vs. NY. Population growth in TX is huge as people flock to this state. There are over 2.7 million more people in the labor force in TX than in NY and the population explosion is making it tough on job creation although in July 29,000 of the total jobs Obama claims he created were created in TX. The record of job creation continues for TX and now if we can get Obama out of the WH the unemployment rate will improve. any idea how many people are unemployed because of the moritorium in drilling in the Gulf? Of course not, you just want to bitch about something and divert from the terrible record of "your" President

TX Labor Force July 2011 12.2 million
NY Labor Force July 2011 9.5 million

TX Population is now 24.8 million
NY Population is now 19.5 million

Just think if the NY Population continues to drop they will have fewer unemployed than TX for a long time.

Wait which percentage are we debating now?? Uninsured, unemployed, or minimum wage?
 
I made my point by posting bls.data showing that TX has 550,000 minimum wage workers which is the highest in the nation BUT the TX labor force is over 12 million so you figure it out what the percentage is. I wonder why this is an issue as apparently you believe it is the Government's role to tell private business what to pay its workers not realizing that when the govt. sets the wage that serves as the maximum wage some companies have to pay when it could be a lot more.

As for your unemployment numbers vs. NY. Population growth in TX is huge as people flock to this state. There are over 2.7 million more people in the labor force in TX than in NY and the population explosion is making it tough on job creation although in July 29,000 of the total jobs Obama claims he created were created in TX. The record of job creation continues for TX and now if we can get Obama out of the WH the unemployment rate will improve. any idea how many people are unemployed because of the moritorium in drilling in the Gulf? Of course not, you just want to bitch about something and divert from the terrible record of "your" President

TX Labor Force July 2011 12.2 million
NY Labor Force July 2011 9.5 million

TX Population is now 24.8 million
NY Population is now 19.5 million

Just think if the NY Population continues to drop they will have fewer unemployed than TX for a long time.

Umm NYS population has been increasing.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/tables/11s0012.pdf

Texas has the highest rate of unplanned pregnancy in the nation. That's why it's population is so high

If conservative didn't make stuff up, they'd have nothing to say
 
Wait which percentage are we debating now?? Uninsured, unemployed, or minimum wage?

You raised the issue of unemployment and asked me about the unemployment percentage in TX vs NY. It does appear that you don't even know what you are posting
 
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Seems to me that those who are getting rich are at least in part doing so off the backs of poor, uninsured Texans.
Isn't it just another opinion that “those who are getting rich are doing so on the backs of poor, uninsured Texans”?


That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Keep on dodging the facts, you're really doing a great job showing how well most conservatives can debate! :roll:
As if you are making more sense. lol
 
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