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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post

    Like most states it's weathering a recession, non the less it still growing, except the public sector and construction which is where you get your figures is it not. The private sector on the other hand is still growing and the public sector will get little or no concern from your average voter, nation wide.
    I see ... so Texas, at 25 year high unemployment rate (and climbing) is "weathering a recession" but the nation as a whole with a 9.1% unemployment rate, down from its peak at 10.1% and dropping, is not?

    I'm confused why you think that gives Perry a pass but not Obama?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    Aw, bull****, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Where was your outrage over the dot.com bubble bursting and the recession that Bush inherited. Facts always get in the way of liberals who continue to bet indoctrinated by a leftwing media.
    Just a guess, but I suspect the dot com bubble burst wasn't nearly as detrimental to the economy as the real estate bubble. Not to mention, even after the dot com bubble, which hit the stock market hard, the stock market was still 2 to 3 times higher than it was when Clinton started. So overall, people still made a killing in the market. Whereas the real estate bust nearly collapsed our economy and the affects are still being felt as housing prices continue dropping and foreclosures are still at near record levels.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    I see ... so Texas, at 25 year high unemployment rate (and climbing) is "weathering a recession" but the nation as a whole with a 9.1% unemployment rate, down from its peak at 10.1% and dropping, is not?

    I'm confused why you think that gives Perry a pass but not Obama?
    I know, I know, call on me, I know!!

    Labor force in TX growing, labor force nationally declining. If you drop the labor force and don't count those people as being unemployed what do you think will happen to the unemployment rate? The real key is employment for that is where tax revenue comes from. TX has a growing employment number and nationally that employment number continues to drop. TX has a net job gain especially in the private sector and nationally that private sector number is down thus a net job loss. Spin that reality as I am sure you will

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Just a guess, but I suspect the dot com bubble burst wasn't nearly as detrimental to the economy as the real estate bubble. Not to mention, even after the dot com bubble, which hit the stock market hard, the stock market was still 2 to 3 times higher than it was when Clinton started. So overall, people still made a killing in the market. Whereas the real estate bust nearly collapsed our economy and the affects are still being felt as housing prices continue dropping and foreclosures are still at near record levels.
    Kind of like that 14000 that Bush had during his term? For some reason you really have BDS bad, not sure why but you really should seek help. "Your" President is incompetent and a total disaster but all you can do is blame Bush. That is what people who have never managed or led anything always do. Obama is your kind of leader, delegating authority as well as blame. Wonder if you do that too?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    Still don't get it, do you, the labor force increased in TX and decreased nationally as people keep flocking to TX. If the labor force increases what will that do to the unemployment rate?
    If the state has enough jobs to keep up with demand, the unemployment rate stays level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Explain to us all how 8.4% unemployment is worse than 9.1%?
    I never said it was. What a pity you're too dishonest a poster to repeat what I actually said.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    If the state has enough jobs to keep up with demand, the unemployment rate stays level.


    I never said it was. What a pity you're too dishonest a poster to repeat what I actually said.
    Or you can do what Obama has done, reduce the labor force so you don't have to count them as being unemployed. That seems to be the liberal plan.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    Rogue, first of all thank you for your service. Now for the negative you don't know what you are talking about but do a great job spreading media talking points. I suggest you do some better research. Of course President's use money to create Federal Jobs but certainly not at this level. It isn't the Federal Government's job to bail out unions and state teachers' jobs. Where did you ever get that idea.

    What govt. money did Perry use to bring businesses to TX? Do you understand that when you say govt. money you are saying taxpayer money? Is it the taxpayers of TX responsibility to fund jobs in California? You do realize that Federal Tax dollars come from all taxpayers from all over the nation?
    Not only did Perry use federal government money to help TX create more jobs, including government jobs,

    Perry relies on 'Texas miracle' to advance presidential bid - The Irish Times - Mon, Aug 22, 2011

    he also used state money to start a program that gives grants to companies for moving their business to TX. Granted he was not alone in the creation of this program and it isn't a bad program, I am just pointing out where taxpayer money is being used to create jobs in TX. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be done very fairly, since many of those getting these grants and/or jobs from the governor are also his campaign contributors.

    Besides this, a good portion of those jobs being created are due to the rise in military personnel in TX. Since our military is funded by the federal taxpayers and the governor of a state has very little say in an increase in military personnel in his state, besides maybe to refuse it, then you cannot say that it was Gov. Perry who created those jobs. It was technically taxpayer money paying for those military personnel and their support needs that led to an increase in population of those areas, and therefore, an increase in business in those areas where military personnel are in TX.

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    Healthcare needs are personal and everyone's living habits are different thus there is no one size fits all program. There is nothing in Obamacare that lowers healthcare costs and the Federal Mandate will be proven unconstitutional. The poor get healthcare from Medicaid and other state programs so why Obamacare? That is part of the nanny state that liberals seem to want. Show a utopian country with Obamacare type healthcare?
    First of all, from the start of me entering this thread, I have said that I believe Obamacare is wrong (read: unconstitutional). It is mandating people to purchase insurance.

    Second of all, show me a utopian society at all in this world and we can discuss how they handle healthcare. I'm pretty sure you won't find one. I would like to see a NHC system, not mandated national health insurance. It would be more practical than either continuing to cover everyone who absolutely cannot pay or allowing those who can't pay to suffer due to the high price of health care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama was hired based upon his rhetoric and not his resume. He is incompetent and has zero leadership skills. There is no comparision between Obama and Perry. I have seen nothing from your POV that is accurate in describing Perry but I do see DNC talking points and down right lies. I am still waiting for proof of those bribes to get business to come to TX. He doesn't have to bribe anyone, TX has no state income taxes. Let Obama have his way and raise taxes on those evil rich people and businesses, you are going to see a lot of businesses move to states with lower taxes. What affect will that have on your state? Think about it?
    And I didn't vote for Obama. I voted for McCain.

    I agree, Obama has little leadership skills, but I also believe the same thing about Perry. I have looked at what is going on in TX and what his stances are on other issues, besides economic ones. I do not like him in either situation. Show me what exactly Perry has done to increase TX job creation, instead of just giving numbers. The numbers do not equal the policies, they would be the result of multiple factors, that I have mentioned. You want to prove me wrong, show me some facts and some policies that he implemented/suggested that actually helped bring jobs to his state without hurting the budget or any other part of the state, including education and healthcare.

    Plus, you have yet to address the more social issues that I take issue with him on. Those are important to me too, since the economy is only part of this country and not likely going to get much worse at this point the way it is currently going.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    TX has a net job gain especially in the private sector and nationally that private sector number is down thus a net job loss. Spin that reality as I am sure you will
    Yep those extra jobs like McDonald s have REALLY helped the families grown their income. It's good that so called "AMERICANS" such as yourself have helped America become more like China. Hell, I would rather your kind in Texas just walk in front of a oncoming bus, it would be less harmful to America.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I see ... so Texas, at 25 year high unemployment rate (and climbing) is "weathering a recession" but the nation as a whole with a 9.1% unemployment rate, down from its peak at 10.1% and dropping, is not?

    I'm confused why you think that gives Perry a pass but not Obama?
    I see ... so Texas, at 25 year high unemployment rate (and climbing) is "weathering a recession" but the nation as a whole with a 9.1% unemployment rate, down from its peak at 10.1% and dropping, is not?
    Your figures are coming from the public sect and construction, and currently that does affect your average voter looking for a job.

    I'm confused why you think that gives Perry a pass but not Obama?
    who says I am giving him a free pass? I am just not ready to pounce on a candidate because he maybe religious or has a R next to his name, I'll reserve my judgment for now. Obama has bee at it for three years now and he has failed.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Aw, bull****, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. Where was your outrage over the dot.com bubble bursting and the recession that Bush inherited. Facts always get in the way of liberals who continue to bet indoctrinated by a leftwing media.

    Nothing to indicate Obama has destroyed the economy? Obama is incompetent, no leadership skills, and no management experience. Looking like a double dip.

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
    Bull **** on you. The govt. played NO role in the dot com bubble, it was pure investor speculation. Interest rates were at normal levels, no govt. subsidy to anyone. That was pure investor stupidity.

    And one time you say Obama is destroying the economy, I call you on it and you have NOTHING. Lack of leadership, HA, Jack that ain't "destroying the economy". Looking like a double dip "is not a double dip". It is normal after a recession to provide stimulus to jump start the economy, and it is normal for the economy to slow a bit when the stimulus is removed (as this one has been spent out). Until it IS a double dip, you got nothing!

    1.3% GDP is better than Bush ended his admin with, and the downgrade in the credit was predicated on congress not being able to get its act together, (primarily because of the tea party repubs insistence on no closing of unnecessary tax loopholes) and S&P said just that. Obama's JAR at 40% is twice as good as Bush ended with. Given the severity of the situation he was handed, Obama has done OK. I would have preferred to see a long term building infrastructure program like replacement of aging bridges around the nation that would have run 20 years, like building the interstate highway system, but what was done has certainly not "destroyed the economy" as you said.

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