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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    Treasonous is too harsh of a word but it would harm the U.S. Economy as I stated. Printing money creates inflation and inflation harms the consumer thus the economy.
    Seriously? If it hurt the economy, it would also hurt President Obama as well, would it not? And Perry stated before the election, sounds to me he is worried he might do it to help the President.


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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    The national percentage rate is taking the total unemployed and divide it by the labor force. I would have thought somone of your superior intelligence would have understood that but I was wrong. Texas labor force is added to the total as are the unemployed. TX numbers make Obama's look better
    Ummm, guess you're not aware ... but Texas' unemployment rate is calculating with the same methodology of factoring the number of unemployed in the state of Texas by the size of the workforce in the state of Texas. Using that methodology, unemployment has risen 31% since Obama became president.

    I can't help that you can't comprehend that along with adding in Texas' employment figures is also Texas' workforce figures. How on Earth does the unemployment rate which increases 17% benefit from Texas' increase of 31%?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Seriously? If it hurt the economy, it would also hurt President Obama as well, would it not? And Perry stated before the election, sounds to me he is worried he might do it to help the President.
    Obama is already hurting the economy and the Fed is supposed to be independent and do things to help the economy not the President. Printing money at this time helps no one.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    Obama is already hurting the economy and the Fed is supposed to be independent and do things to help the economy not the President. Printing money at this time helps no one.
    It helps exports.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ummm, guess you're not aware ... but Texas' unemployment rate is calculating with the same methodology of factoring the number of unemployed in the state of Texas by the size of the workforce in the state of Texas. Using that methodology, unemployment has risen 31% since Obama became president.

    I can't help that you can't comprehend that along with adding in Texas' employment figures is also Texas' workforce figures. How on Earth does the unemployment rate which increases 17% benefit from Texas' increase of 31%?
    Keep digging that hold deeper, TX unemployment is lower than the national average and that helps the total number. You simply cannot admit that you are wrong. The change in TX unemployment doesn't matter, the unemployment number does when it relates to the national rate

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You asked why I would vote for someone with a "R" after their name and I gave you the reason. Here it is again

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 24+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 40% JAR and well over 50% disapproval ratings.
    I think you wouldn't vote for him regardless of that, right?
    Will you vote in the Texas primary for their favorite son - Gov. Rick Perry?


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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Don't worry, Sheik, one of these days you will understand that percentage change is based upon the base and the higher the base the lower the percentage change thus total numbers matter. Stick to your technical base because logic and common sense escape you.
    Ummm, the difference is greater in percentage points as well...

    unemployment rate since January, 2009:

    U.S.: 7.8% to 9.1% ... Up 1.3 percentage points.
    Texas: 6.4% to 8.4% ... Up 2.0 percentage points.

    Like you said, results matter. When it comes to unemployment, Obama has done better then Perry over the same period in time.

    Can Obama count on your vote now??

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    I would love to know why minimum wage is even an issue with anyone. The marketplace should dictate wages, not a govt. entity. What do you think an unskilled, uneducated worker should make? Or how about a teen working his first job? Half of the minimum wage jobs are between the ages of 16-24 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics but again why is that an issue. Do you claim to know the finances and cost of living for all those making minimum wage? Wonder who held a gun to their head forcing them to take a minimum wage job? Seems to me that personal responsibility is a lost trait today in this country
    Why? Because even a single person has a hard time living in the current economy on minimum wage. Minimum wage means a person is making about $15600 a year, before federal income taxes. Even at $8 an hour, a person only makes about $16600 a year, before taxes. Which means if rent is say $600 a month (the average for a 1bdrm apt in TX), a person is then paying $7200 in rent (if they are able to find an apartment at that rate). Plus utilities (basic) will be another about $1500 a year. Then we figure in food, which means another $300 a month, $3600 for the year. Another about $30 a month for phone, $360 a year. Transportation is going to be at least another $520 for the year, and that is if a person only takes public transportation to work and back and only has to take one bus. If they own a car, it is likely to be more.

    With just rent, food, basic utilities, transportation, and phone, things that are considered essential to being able to actually live and work, a person spends $13,180. This doesn't even include any basic toiletry items (tooth brush, toothpaste, shampoo, deodorant, toilet paper, soap), nor does it include any money for clothes or shoes or other things that people usually need to buy sometime throughout the year. Also, a single person will pay about 15% of their yearly to federal taxes. This means a single person making $8 an hour really only brings home about $14,110 a year and I have shown that in TX they would spend at least $13,180 just for essential expenses. That leaves less than $900 a year just for those additional things I mentioned if they are living above minimum wage and don't have a car. If they do happen to be trying to support a family on minimum wage or just above, which some are, those numbers, at least for food and utilities go up, plus more of those things that I touched on.

    Even at $10 an hour, it would be difficult to take care of a family on $20,800 a year, which is what many have to do. And when you have gone from a higher paying job, where maybe you were making $50K to $60K a year to a lower paying job where now you are making $20K to $25K a year, that is a big difference and not something that everyone can plan for, even if they were able to get that job before the bulk of any savings they may have had ran out.
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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Ummm, the difference is greater in percentage points as well...

    unemployment rate since January, 2009:

    U.S.: 7.8% to 9.1% ... Up 1.3 percentage points.
    Texas: 6.4% to 8.4% ... Up 2.0 percentage points.

    Like you said, results matter. When it comes to unemployment, Obama has done better then Perry over the same period in time.

    Can Obama count on your vote now??
    So let me see if I have this right, a 8.4% rate that is lower than the national rate has no affect on that national rate? Man, you haven't a clue. Maybe some liberal here can explain it to you but that might be one of the dumbest statements I have seen you make comparing TX percentage change in unemployment against the national percentage rate and calling that a good thing. TX has helped the Obama unemployment rate lower to 9.1%

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why? Because even a single person has a hard time living in the current economy on minimum wage. Minimum wage means a person is making about $15600 a year, before federal income taxes. Even at $8 an hour, a person only makes about $16600 a year, before taxes. Which means if rent is say $600 a month (the average for a 1bdrm apt in TX), a person is then paying $7200 in rent (if they are able to find an apartment at that rate). Plus utilities (basic) will be another about $1500 a year. Then we figure in food, which means another $300 a month, $3600 for the year. Another about $30 a month for phone, $360 a year. Transportation is going to be at least another $520 for the year, and that is if a person only takes public transportation to work and back and only has to take one bus. If they own a car, it is likely to be more.

    With just rent, food, basic utilities, transportation, and phone, things that are considered essential to being able to actually live and work, a person spends $13,180. This doesn't even include any basic toiletry items (tooth brush, toothpaste, shampoo, deodorant, toilet paper, soap), nor does it include any money for clothes or shoes or other things that people usually need to buy sometime throughout the year. Also, a single person will pay about 15% of their yearly to federal taxes. This means a single person making $8 an hour really only brings home about $14,110 a year and I have shown that in TX they would spend at least $13,180 just for essential expenses. That leaves less than $900 a year just for those additional things I mentioned if they are living above minimum wage and don't have a car. If they do happen to be trying to support a family on minimum wage or just above, which some are, those numbers, at least for food and utilities go up, plus more of those things that I touched on.

    Even at $10 an hour, it would be difficult to take care of a family on $20,800 a year, which is what many have to do. And when you have gone from a higher paying job, where maybe you were making $50K to $60K a year to a lower paying job where now you are making $20K to $25K a year, that is a big difference and not something that everyone can plan for, even if they were able to get that job before the bulk of any savings they may have had ran out.
    How doyou know a single person has a hard time making it on minimum wage. You don't know what his expenses are or cost of living as he may be living at home or with roommates. The only thing keeping anyone from making minimum wage long term is the individual. Stop trying to judge everyone else on your perceptions and values.

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