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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm more concerned with what Rasmussen is doing NOW than I am about what they did in 2004.
    Rasmussen was right in 2004 and right in 2008, both Presidential elections and not local elections like Congressional races are.

    Now how about answering the question I posed to Donc. Would you prefer to live in a state governed by someone like Perry who believes in personal responsibility and the ability of an individual to make the best choices for themselves or one governed by Barack Obama who believes it is the Governments rold to define what is in your best interest and to provide a solution to your individual responsibility items?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    Sounds like an off topic personal attack to me
    See the triangle at the bottom left of the post? Click it and type your complaint when prompted, it really pretty easy.


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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    In TX we have the freedom to choose whereas in the Obama world the govt. knows what is best and can better provide personal responsibility services to you.
    What choices are going to be taken away?

    What in the world are you talking about here?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Rasmussen was right in 2004 and right in 2008, both Presidential elections and not local elections like Congressional races are.

    Now how about answering the question I posed to Donc. Would you prefer to live in a state governed by someone like Perry who believes in personal responsibility and the ability of an individual to make the best choices for themselves or one governed by Barack Obama who believes it is the Governments rold to define what is in your best interest and to provide a solution to your individual responsibility items?
    Right, as I said at the beginning of this discussion, Rasmussen's decline is a relatively recent phenomenon. I don't contest that they were a good polling firm up until 2-3 years ago.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What choices are going to be taken away?

    What in the world are you talking about here?
    Forced healthcare for one if you don't want it, why should you have to buy it?

    the right to run a business and not be taxed out of existence, no state income taxes. Obama believes businesses should pay higher taxes.

    no barriers for starting a business in TX vs what Obama wants and has implemented through the EPA, NLRB, OSHA.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Right, as I said at the beginning of this discussion, Rasmussen's decline is a relatively recent phenomenon. I don't contest that they were a good polling firm up until 2-3 years ago.
    let me know how it works out in the 2012 Presidential election, now how about an answer to the question.

    You want Perry results, how about these for employment numbers?

    Employment numbers by month during the Obama economy. Note January 2009 10.5 million people working in TX and in July 2012 that number is 10.6 million. Feel free to compare that to the Obama results nationally where there are fewer people working today than when he took office thus fewer taxpayers. That is the obama economy.

    2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9 10231.0 10220.6 10214.4 10212.0 10209.0
    2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3 10361.8 10361.6 10384.9 10403.3 10444.7
    2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5 10619.8

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Forced healthcare for one if you don't want it, why should you have to buy it?
    So you support people getting a free ride?

    the right to run a business and not be taxed out of existence, no state income taxes. Obama believes businesses should pay higher taxes.
    Okay taxes are a fact of life. Should we just dump all taxes?

    no barriers for starting a business in TX vs what Obama wants and has implemented through the EPA, NLRB, OSHA.
    Isn't taking personal responsibility insuring you, your family have safe drinking water? I'd rather not have industry leaking hazardous chemicals into the environment.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    let me know how it works out in the 2012 Presidential election, now how about an answer to the question.

    You want Perry results, how about these for employment numbers?

    Employment numbers by month during the Obama economy. Note January 2009 10.5 million people working in TX and in July 2012 that number is 10.6 million. Feel free to compare that to the Obama results nationally where there are fewer people working today than when he took office thus fewer taxpayers. That is the obama economy.

    2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9 10231.0 10220.6 10214.4 10212.0 10209.0
    2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3 10361.8 10361.6 10384.9 10403.3 10444.7
    2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5 10619.8

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Forced healthcare for one if you don't want it, why should you have to buy it?
    If you are in a car wreck and suffer severe brain trauma, but it is recoverable with substantial care, and you do not have health insurance nor enough money in the bank to even cover the first days life saving measures, should we:

    a) let you die right then
    b) save you and let all the other citizens pay for your care, which you irresponsibly refused to carry?

    Only if you are willing to die in a case like this, am I willing to say you should not HAVE to carry insurance. Otherwise why would you irresponsibly want to shirk your responsibility?
    Last edited by finebead; 08-20-11 at 02:04 PM.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    If you are in a car wreck and suffer severe brain trauma, but it is recoverable with substantial care, and you do not have health insurance nor enough money in the bank to even cover the first days life saving measures, should we:

    a) let you die right then
    b) save you and let all the other citizens pay for your care, which you irresponsibly refused to carry?
    The answer, before Obamacare, was (b), and I think that most Americans would say that's a better choice than (a). But it's hardly ideal.

    This is what Conservative doesn't want to face. It isn't a choice between someone taking personal responsibility or suffering the consequences; it's a choice between someone taking personal responsibility OR THE REST OF US PAY THE CONSEQUENCES.

    And, btw, it is this way because of Reagan's 1986 legislation that prohibited emergency rooms from turning away patients.

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