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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    What is your point? I stated that the FEDERAL mandate was a republican IDEA advocated by groups including the Heritage Foundation. (did you read the article?) I wasn't talking about bills, I was talking about how readily Regressives run away from their own ideas (the few they actually have).
    Republicans always have believed that healthcare is a personal responsibility and Romney made it a state issue. No Republican has ever proposed national healthcare. You seem to believe that an idea to have national healthcare is the same as proposing one. There are a lot of different ideologies in the Republican Party these days, very few in the Democrat Party. Opinions are welcome, national healthcare isn't

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Your link is from 2008 -- NOT the last election cycle. Don't you ever get tired of being dishonest?

    Rasmussen's rightward lurch is a fairly recent phenomenon.
    When was the last election cycle, Adam? Do you ever really think before you post? Rasmussen was the NUMBER ONE polling agency in the last Presidential election that was Nov. 2008 or did you forget that the last election cycle was 2008? Rasmussen nailed the results thus your statement about Rasmussen's credibility was a lie or to be nice just a mistatement on your part

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Aw, all those liberals negative on TX, eat your heart out liberals, Employment numbers by month for TX. How is your state doing?

    2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9
    2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3
    2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5 10619.8

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    http://www.fordham.edu/images/academ...20election.pdf

    Looks to me like liberals got their poll rankings reversed, Rasmussen was the best in the last election cycle.
    Believe it or not, I think when it comes down to near the wire of the election Rasmussen is very accurate. Polling outfits stake their future business by being as accurate as they can be, it doesn't make sense for the to skew their poll results one way or the other. You can prove their accuracy by comparing actual election results with their polls and all the other ones. That being said, I don't know how you could verify the accuracy this far from the election, I think its pretty much a crap shoot.


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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Republicans always have believed that healthcare is a personal responsibility and Romney made it a state issue. No Republican has ever proposed national healthcare.
    Again, you are either severely ignorant or severely dishonest. Richard Nixon proposed national health care:

    "COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN (CHIP)

    Early last year, I directed the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare to prepare a new and improved plan for comprehensive health insurance. That plan, as I indicated in my State of the Union message, has been developed and I am presenting it to the Congress today. I urge its enactment as soon as possible.

    The plan is organized around seven principles:

    First, it offers every American an opportunity to obtain a balanced, comprehensive range of health insurance benefits;

    Second, it will cost no American more than he can afford to pay;

    Third, it builds on the strength and diversity of our existing public and private systems of health financing and harmonizes them into an overall system;

    Fourth, it uses public funds only where needed and requires no new Federal taxes;

    Fifth, it would maintain freedom of choice by patients and ensure that doctors work for their patient, not for the Federal Government.

    Sixth, it encourages more effective use of our health care resources;

    And finally, it is organized so that all parties would have a direct stake in making the system work--consumer, provider, insurer, State governments and the Federal Government."

    Full letter to Congress here: Nixon's Plan For Health Reform, In His Own Words - Kaiser Health News

    And second, Obamacare itself is strikingly similar to a health care reform plan proposed by Republicans and written by the conservative Heritage Foundation in the early 90s. That plan included the individual mandate that you maintain is anathema to conservative ideals:

    "The second central element-in the Heritage proposal is a two-way commit ment between government and citizen. Under this social contract, the federal government would agree to make it financially possible, through refund able tax benefits or in some cases by providing access to public-sector health programs, for every American family to purchase at least a basic package of medical care, including catastrophic insurance. In return, government would require, by law every head of household to acquire at least a basic health plan for his or her family.Thus there would be mandated coverage under the Heritage proposal, but the mandate would apply to the family head, who is the appropriate person to shoulder the primary responsibility for the familys health needs, rather than employers, who are not EFFECTS OF THE HERlTAGE.PROPOSAL By no longer restricting tax relief for medical care to employer-provided plans, and by restructuring tax assistance to help those Americans most in need, the Heritage proposal significantly would improve the American health system. Among the most important effects 1)Good health care not dependent on employers. E mployees would be able to acquire health coverage for their families, and obtain government tax help to pay for it, wherever they happen to work. Casual or part-time workers, em ployees of small firms, or dependents of workers those who comprise a major s h are of the uninsured -would receive a refundable tax credit based on health costs compared with income exactly the same form of govern ment assistance to buy health services as Americans working in large firms Thus the Heritage proposal would solve much o f the current uninsurance problem."

    Using Tax Credits to Create an Affordable Health System

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    When was the last election cycle, Adam? Do you ever really think before you post? Rasmussen was the NUMBER ONE polling agency in the last Presidential election that was Nov. 2008 or did you forget that the last election cycle was 2008? Rasmussen nailed the results thus your statement about Rasmussen's credibility was a lie or to be nice just a mistatement on your part
    Seriously? The last election cycle was the 2010 mid-term elections.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Believe it or not, I think when it comes down to near the wire of the election Rasmussen is very accurate. Polling outfits stake their future business by being as accurate as they can be, it doesn't make sense for the to skew their poll results one way or the other. You can prove their accuracy by comparing actual election results with their polls and all the other ones. That being said, I don't know how you could verify the accuracy this far from the election, I think its pretty much a crap shoot.
    It's not hard to check their accuracy. You look at who they called and then look at the results from the last elections. In the last elections -- in 2010, not 2008 -- Rasmussen was among the least accurate, and they consistently erred on the side of Republican candidates.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Believe it or not, I think when it comes down to near the wire of the election Rasmussen is very accurate. Polling outfits stake their future business by being as accurate as they can be, it doesn't make sense for the to skew their poll results one way or the other. You can prove their accuracy by comparing actual election results with their polls and all the other ones. That being said, I don't know how you could verify the accuracy this far from the election, I think its pretty much a crap shoot.
    /eviltwinconspiracyme

    Early on poll results are skewed to affect the popularity factor. Popularity is a bandwagon everybody jumps on.

    /eviltwinconspiracyme

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Seriously? The last election cycle was the 2010 mid-term elections.
    Oh, really? The Presidential election is normally considered an election cycle but if you want to go by the 2010, how accurate was Rasmussen in predicting the GOP Landslide? Again, you are wrong but just cannot admit it. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    /eviltwinconspiracyme

    Early on poll results are skewed to affect the popularity factor. Popularity is a bandwagon everybody jumps on.

    /eviltwinconspiracyme
    Gallup registers popularity, Rasmussen surveys likely voter thus is always near or at the top of polling accuracy when it comes to election results.

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