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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not arguing against it at all, just the Federal Govt. paying for it. ER charges are state charges, not Federal charges. The people of TX don't pay for your ER charges nor do you pay for ours
    So you don't actually know what the health care mandate is. But you know that you're opposed to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Exactly and controlled by the Feds. When the feds mandate an increase in Medicaid who should pay for that increase?
    Well who has the best proposals to deal with situation is where I'd start.

    That doesn't mean the State has the better idea. Certainly as evidenced by Texas with its high rate of un-insured that is costing the nation a bundle in medicaid.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yep. It is amazing how Republicans can quickly twist, turn and spin away from their own ideas.... even going so far as to call them socialist and unconstitutional.

    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - Boston.com
    I like the way that article put this

    Mitt Romney, weighing another run for the GOP presidential nomination, signed such a requirement into law at the state level as Massachusetts governor in 2006. At the time, Romney defended it as “a personal responsibility principle’’ and Massachusetts’ newest GOP senator, Scott Brown, backed it. Romney now says Obama’s plan is a federal takeover that bears little resemblance to what he did as governor and should be repealed.

    It's what Romney did... it's pretty obvious. The only thing he could argue is that the state government can do it, but not the federal, and this begs the question why the GOP ever supported this anyway. Were they simply backing for mandated health care because they felt it was unpopular and easy to attack, therefore nobody was really going to stand behind it and pass it?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Correct, and as usual Conservative is making it up as he goes along.
    Read Post 219 and stop with the spin. With federal involvement comes strings. Who do you think should pay for Federal mandates that increase costs?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

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    Do strong women scare you?
    They aren't considered strong in the running to be president...

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you know the difference between an idea and a bill? Romney got it right, this is a state program, not a Federal program. If your state wants to implement it, so be it. That is your problem but don't force a one size fits all program on the nation especially when it comes to personal responsibility issues.


    Romney supported a federal version when he ran for president in 2008. I know because I actually took the time to read his healthcare proposal. He wanted to fine people if they didn't purchase health insurance.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I like the way that article put this

    Mitt Romney, weighing another run for the GOP presidential nomination, signed such a requirement into law at the state level as Massachusetts governor in 2006. At the time, Romney defended it as “a personal responsibility principle’’ and Massachusetts’ newest GOP senator, Scott Brown, backed it. Romney now says Obama’s plan is a federal takeover that bears little resemblance to what he did as governor and should be repealed.

    It's what Romney did... it's pretty obvious. The only thing he could argue is that the state government can do it, but not the federal, and this begs the question why the GOP ever supported this anyway. Were they simply backing for mandated health care because they felt it was unpopular and easy to attack, therefore nobody was really going to stand behind it and pass it?
    What too many people ignore is the fact that the actual costs of ER services are paid by the state and not the Federal Govt. so to make the ER costs the main issue is nothing more than spin and a diversion. My county and thus my taxdollars went to pay 600,000 in healthcare costs for illegal immigrants. Is the Federal Govt. going to take over that responsibility to pay those costs with Obamacare?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Read Post 219 and stop with the spin. With federal involvement comes strings. Who do you think should pay for Federal mandates that increase costs?
    Again, you don't seem to know what the mandate IS. The mandate is a requirement that everyone who can afford health insurance must buy health insurance or else pay a tax penalty. It doesn't cost the government anything. In fact, the funds from the penalty would be used to pay for the free health care that the government is already paying for.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Conservative, I have a question for you: Why is Texas #50 in the nation for health-care uninsured rate, while Massachusetts is #1? Why does Massachusetts lead the nation in lowest uninsured rates for the elderly in three of five lower-to-middle-class, while Texas is dead last for three of those same five categories? Nearly three-quarters of non-elderly Texans who receive Medicaid are children; why? Are the little children responsible for pulling themselves up by the bootstraps before they even become adults?

    (Source: Health Coverage & Uninsured - Kaiser State Health Facts)

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post


    Romney supported a federal version when he ran for president in 2008. I know because I actually took the time to read his healthcare bill. He wanted to fine people if they didn't purchase health insurance.
    I don't recall that being the case but doesn't really matter to me since Romney care is a state program and I have no problem if your state wants to charge you for a universal program since states pay for ER costs anyway.

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