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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I always thought conservatives were usually expressing or implying the same idea with libertarian....more liberty, more responsibility, less interference, etc, etc

    What is your true lean?
    This would be true, but IMO a true conservative is a constitutionalist which embraces everything you just posted, in the day the constitution was a liberal document. That said Liberals today are socialist, I can't understand why they call themselves liberals.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post


    It would not be an ad ohm if you were simply pointing out my leaning. However, what you attempted to do is discredit me because I do not fall for the same empty-minded economic reasoning that plagues a great deal of that particular platform.

    If you lack the ability to put together sound economic reasoning, then simply do not reply. Getting personal with me is not a valid substitute.

    On most social issues, the left wants to control people, "for their own good". Rather than giving to charity to support the needy, according to your own desires (libertarian), the left wants you taxed so they can decide how it is spent and where.

    Is that your true lean?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I always thought conservatives were usually expressing or implying the same idea with libertarian....more liberty, more responsibility, less interference, etc, etc

    What is your true lean?
    You describe those close to anarcho-capitalists; while it is a segment of the libertarian party, the drivel they peddle ensures their sect will remain in obscurity.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    That said Liberals today are socialist, I can't understand why they call themselves liberals.
    Way to kill your credibility. Socialists do not believe in property rights
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You describe those close to anarcho-capitalists; while it is a segment of the libertarian party, the drivel they peddle ensures their sect will remain in obscurity.
    I'm trying to get a lock on your leaning...

    Are you against social security?

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Here are a few of the gang that perry hangs with.

    < An emerging Christian movement that seeks to take dominion over politics, business and culture in preparation for the end times and the return of Jesus, is becoming more of a presence in American politics.>

    < Two ministries in the movement planned and orchestrated Texas Gov. Rick Perry's recent prayer rally, where apostles and prophets from around the nation spoke or appeared onstage. >


    < Tabachnick says the movement currently works with a variety of politicians and has a presence in all 50 states. It also has very strong opinions about the direction it wants the country to take.>


    < The organizers of Perry's rally were from ministries founded by two apostles/prophets of the movement The Call, and the International House of Prayer founded by Mike Bickle. Bickle, who led part of Perry's event, has claimed that Oprah Winfrey is a precursor of the Antichrist, and Engle has claimed that gay people are controlled by "demonic spirits." Both have served on the Council of Prophetic Elders initiated by Wagner. >


    The New Apostolic Reformation: The Evangelicals Engaged In Spiritual Warfare : NPR
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    On most social issues, the left wants to control people, "for their own good". Rather than giving to charity to support the needy, according to your own desires (libertarian), the left wants you taxed so they can decide how it is spent and where.

    Is that your true lean?
    You would think that liberals would want low taxes and high social spending. Wait, that is neoconservatism.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I'm trying to get a lock on your leaning...

    Are you against social security?
    To a point.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post

    Actually some day you will see that neither party has your interest in mind
    That day has already come and passed. I've believed that for a while now, though some of my interests are protected by the Democrat party. But my support for Democrats over Republicans stems more from watching Republicans put party over country, even at the detriment of the nation. I can't support a party which is so vile, that it would drag the country through an impeachment because the president lied to conceal an extramarital affair and because they could score some political points.

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post

    Vote for the one who will do less damaged to the constitution and one that wishes not to be progressive to quickly, revolutionaries are inherently dangerous and you usually end up worse than when you started.
    It was the Supreme Court and the likelihood of at least one Liberal retiring from the bench which was the main reason I voted for Obama.

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    Re: Rasmussen: Rick Perry now up 11 points on GOP field

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    . How is that hope and change working out for you,
    According to your numbers it worked out pretty well in Texas...or was Obama not President of Texas


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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