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    SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    An illegal, Orwellian violation of free-speech rights? Or just a smart tactic to protect train passengers from rowdy would-be demonstrators during a busy evening commute?

    The question resonated Saturday in San Francisco and beyond as details emerged of Bay Area Rapid Transit officials' decision to cut off underground cellphone service for a few hours at several stations Thursday. Commuters at stations from downtown to near the city's main airport were affected as BART officials sought to tactically thwart a planned protest over the recent fatal shooting of a 45-year-old man by transit police.

    Two days later, the move had civil rights and legal experts questioning the agency's move, and drew backlash from one transit board member who was taken aback by the decision.
    Source: Breitbart

    It seems authoritarianism is becoming quite popular recently.
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    Re: SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    It seems authoritarianism is becoming quite popular recently.
    Yeah, “muBARTek” is such an appropriate hashtag in this instance isn’t it?

    Here’s a novel idea: if you have information about an illegal protest that might occur, once the protest begins you send the cops in and arrest those who are violating the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    This will occur I think more and more as social media is used. Cell towers and transmissions will be monitored and shut down to cut down the risk of mobs or other types of possible planning of illegal activities by groups. Certainly heavy handed and as with anything, it depends how it's used and implemented. It may turn out to be prudent or it may turn out to be Orwellian.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    I don't get how this could be an attempt to control people, beyond the stated purpose.
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    Re: SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    Are they planning to warn people underground with all the muggers and rapists before they turn off the cell service?.
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    Re: SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Are they planning to warn people underground with all the muggers and rapists before they turn off the cell service?.
    Good point! I see city lawsuits in their future.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Good point! I see city lawsuits in their future.
    Great movie gimmick. All the cell phones suddenly go down. Vampires and werewolves everywhere!
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    Re: SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Great movie gimmick. All the cell phones suddenly go down. Vampires and werewolves everywhere!
    Could be... but just one person dialing 911 getting mugged and assualted, the call failing, the person finding out the cell towers were shut off by orders of authorities during that time, and a visit to a lawyers office will net a very nice sum indeed. Vampires and werewolves are so 90's.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    Seems to me that the cell phone issue is a minor point here. People are allowed to protest. The idea that they tried to shut down the protest is the problem.

    That BART owns the system, they are allowed to do with it what they please. They are providing it as a service to their customers. The idea that they are perhaps setting themselves up for a unrelated lawsuit is a good one, but that's their call.

    As for the article, what Britain does is irrelevant.

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    Re: SF cell shutdown: Safety issue, or hint of Orwell?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Seems to me that the cell phone issue is a minor point here. People are allowed to protest. The idea that they tried to shut down the protest is the problem.

    That BART owns the system, they are allowed to do with it what they please. They are providing it as a service to their customers. The idea that they are perhaps setting themselves up for a unrelated lawsuit is a good one, but that's their call.

    As for the article, what Britain does is irrelevant.
    BART doesn't own anything. It's tax payer funded and thus accountable to the residents of the counties that pay into it. So no they can't do as they please.
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