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Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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upsideguy said:
I think you have said it all with a single post reposted 20,327 times. You have more re-runs than the TVLand network.
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Yet liberals make the same claims over and over and are never questioned. Imagine that actually trying to stay on thread topic?
 
Conservative said:
pbrauer said:
How does one "create jobs" when there is no money to spend? No money = no demand = no jobs? Also, if companies are making record profits (which they are) why would they hire anyone?
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Obama had two years, total control of the Congress and generated the results which have led to a 38% JAR, that says it all.
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Why did you avoid the valid questions I asked? Perhaps you don't have the answers?
 
pbrauer said:
Why did you avoid the valid questions I asked? Perhaps you don't have the answers?
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Like all liberals you look to the govt. to provide the money, taxpayer money, to fund job creation which just goes to show how little you know about the private sector economy. There is plenty of private sector money but it isn't going to be spent with this President in office and his job killing economic policy.
 
pbrauer said:
Old news...
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It was asked where the GOP jobs plan was so I posted it. Hear much about it in the media? Not surprising that so many here don't know what is going on in the real world as the media filters out what they don't want people to see and the willing Obama minions continue to defend this incompetent President.
 
Conservative said:
It was asked where the GOP jobs plan was so I posted it. Hear much about it in the media? Not surprising that so many here don't know what is going on in the real world as the media filters out what they don't want people to see and the willing Obama minions continue to defend this incompetent President.
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Tell me how a Balanced Budget amendment that would take years if ever to pass help???
 
pbrauer said:
Why don't you answer my questions? Businesses fail all the time, are you happy about this, it sure seems like it?
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I have answered your questions but you don't like the answer. Businesses do indeed fail all the time, mostly Businesses touted by Obama and visited by him. "Your" President is incompetent so tell me what is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty?
 
Conservative said:
Didn't read the article, did you?
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  • Require a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution.
  • Require a Statutory Spending Limit.
  • Cut Spending to Immediately and Substantially Reduce Deficits.
 
Conservative said:
Didn't hear a lot about this, did you? Wonder why?

Senate GOP Unveils Jobs Plan, Tax Cuts - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)
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The Republican "jobs plan" is just a hodge-podge of Republican policies, most of which have nothing at all to do with jobs, and which, overall, would slash employment rather than bolstering it.

"Senate Republican Jobs Plan

An outline for creating American jobs and prosperity

Begin Living Within Our Means
•Require a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution.
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First of all, this is a pipe dream. It stands zero chance of passing, but in the unlikely event that such an amendment did pass, it would required a 25% reduction in government spending which would eliminate millions of jobs.

•Require a Statutory Spending Limit.
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Ridiculous. How can today's Congress know what spending needs will be next year, or five years hence.

•Cut Spending to Immediately and Substantially Reduce Deficits.
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Cutting spending means cutting employment. I thought this was supposed to be a jobs CREATION plan!

Reform Tax Code To Spur Economic Growth
•Simplify and Reduce Business and Individual Tax Rates.
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Fine, but now you're increasing the deficit....

•Make Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent.
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Good idea. Increasing the deficit again....

•Extend and Make Permanent the Small Business Investment Tax Incentive.
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It doesn't need to be permanent, and you're increasing the deficit again....

•Reduce Taxes on Capital Gains and Dividends.
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Increasing the deficit and income disparity -- tax break for millionaires and billionaires....

Unburden The Economy From Washington Regulations
•Codify the President's Proposal to Require Cost Benefit Analysis in the Formulation of Regulations.
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Good idea ... President Obama....

•Support passage of S.299 REINS Act.
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Completely moronic. This would require a congressional vote on 50-70 major regulations/yr. You would have to increase congressional staff 10 fold and nothing would ever get done due to partisan bickering....

•Prohibit EPA from Regulating Greenhouse Gases under the Clean Air Act.
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*sigh*

Create Competitive Workforce
•Reform Federal Retraining Programs.
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Reform them how?

•Stop Card-Check.
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How can you stop something that never started?

Increase Exports To Create More Jobs
•Ratify Three Pending Export-Opening Agreements.
•Provide Trade Promotion Authority for the President.
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Sounds reasonable....

Power America's Economy
•Lift the Outer Continental Shelf Prohibitions.
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No.

•Increase Federal Loan Guarantee Authority for Nuclear Power.
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Good idea, but increasing the deficit again....

•Require Greater Access to Federal Lands for Exploration of Resources.
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No.

Adopt Common Sense Health Care Solutions
•Repeal ObamaCare.
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Increasing the deficit again, does not create jobs, deprives 30 million people of health insurance....

•Enact Meaningful Medical Malpractice Reform.
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Meaningful, as in one that will provide alternative protection against malpractice and guarantee lower healthcare costs? I'd be all for that....

•Allow for Purchases of Insurance Across State Lines.
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Bad idea, as it would create a race to the bottom where states would compete to be the least effective regulators of insurance companies to attract insurance companies....

•Provide Additional Risk Pools for Small Business.
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You mean like "Obamacare"?

•Strengthen Health Savings Accounts and Patient-Centric Health Care.
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What does that mean? Strengthen how?
 
AdamT said:
The Republican "jobs plan" is just a hodge-podge of Republican policies, most of which have nothing at all to do with jobs, and which, overall, would slash employment rather than bolstering it.



First of all, this is a pipe dream. It stands zero chance of passing, but in the unlikely event that such an amendment did pass, it would required a 25% reduction in government spending which would eliminate millions of jobs.



Ridiculous. How can today's Congress know what spending needs will be next year, or five years hence.



Cutting spending means cutting employment. I thought this was supposed to be a jobs CREATION plan!



Fine, but now you're increasing the deficit....



Good idea. Increasing the deficit again....



It doesn't need to be permanent, and you're increasing the deficit again....



Increasing the deficit and income disparity -- tax break for millionaires and billionaires....



Good idea ... President Obama....



Completely moronic. This would require a congressional vote on 50-70 major regulations/yr. You would have to increase congressional staff 10 fold and nothing would ever get done due to partisan bickering....



*sigh*



Reform them how?



How can you stop something that never started?


Sounds reasonable....



No.



Good idea, but increasing the deficit again....



No.



Increasing the deficit again, does not create jobs, deprives 30 million people of health insurance....



Meaningful, as in one that will provide alternative protection against malpractice and guarantee lower healthcare costs? I'd be all for that....



Bad idea, as it would create a race to the bottom where states would compete to be the least effective regulators of insurance companies to attract insurance companies....



You mean like "Obamacare"?



What does that mean? Strengthen how?
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I was asked to give the Jobs Proposal from the Republicans and I posted one of them. The House has a plan as well but neither saw the light of day because of the Senate under Democrat control. Liberals like you seem to only get part of the story and never do any independent research but instead buy what the MSM tells you. You do not know what they aren't telling you.

Do you have any idea where the money comes from to pay debt service? what do you think would happen if we had no deficit thus didn't have to fund debt service? Think about it if you can.

Obamacare is an expense to the business so who is going to pay that expense and what if the market cannot support that expense? Again, think and try to put yourself into a position of investing your own money into a business as unlikely as that appears.
 
pbrauer said:
  • Require a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution.
  • Require a Statutory Spending Limit.
  • Cut Spending to Immediately and Substantially Reduce Deficits.
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Obviously you read the first line which to a liberal is like putting a red cape in front of a bull. You didn't go any further and thus missed some good job proposal ideas which of course will be ignored by those who believe it is the role of the govt. to create jobs. How is that nanny state working out for you when you view what is going on around the world?
 
I responded to every subheading in the plan.

Republicans control the House. Have they passed their jobs plan yet? I mean it's only been eight months.... They managed to vote on an abortion bill on their second day.... :roll:
 
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AdamT said:
I responded to every subheading in the plan.

Republicans control the House. Have they passed their jobs plan yet? I mean it's only been eight months.... They managed to vote on an abortion bill on their second day.... :roll:
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Does it make any difference, I posted the Senate Plan which wasn't even put up for a debate so what do you think Reid would do with a House Plan? But since you asked

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/HR_1745_AINS_051011.pdf

Can hardly wait for the Obama jobs plan that we have waited for for 2 1/2 years
 
AdamT said:
I responded to every subheading in the plan.

Republicans control the House. Have they passed their jobs plan yet? I mean it's only been eight months.... They managed to vote on an abortion bill on their second day.... :roll:
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What exactly is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty that you would ignore actual results?
 
Conservative said:
Does it make any difference, I posted the Senate Plan which wasn't even put up for a debate so what do you think Reid would do with a House Plan? But since you asked

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/HR_1745_AINS_051011.pdf

Can hardly wait for the Obama jobs plan that we have waited for for 2 1/2 years
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They knew the abortion bill wasn't going anywhere, but they voted on that. They knew the repeal HCR bill wasn't going anywhere, but they voted on that. They knew the balanced budget amendment wasn't going anywhere, but they voted on that. You'd think they could put together a jobs bill that might have a chance of gaining bipartisan support and voting on THAT ... but I guess that's asking too much. After all, this IS about playing political games and not actually solving problems, right?

The Senate plan you referenced seems to be about cutting unemployment benefits -- not creating jobs.
 
AdamT said:
They knew the abortion bill wasn't going anywhere, but they voted on that. They knew the repeal HCR bill wasn't going anywhere, but they voted on that. They knew the balanced budget amendment wasn't going anywhere, but they voted on that. You'd think they could put together a jobs bill that might have a chance of gaining bipartisan support and voting on THAT ... but I guess that's asking too much. After all, this IS about playing political games and not actually solving problems, right?

The Senate plan you referenced seems to be about cutting unemployment benefits -- not creating jobs.
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The jobs bill was to tighten up job search requirements so my question is why you would be against that? Your thoughts really are irrelevant, why did Reid prevent debate? you wanted jobs bills from the Republicans, I gave you one from each House, neither were debated in the Senate which is typical of liberalism who only want the issue never a solution to the problems. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty as you have?
 
Conservative said:
The jobs bill was to tighten up job search requirements so my question is why you would be against that? Your thoughts really are irrelevant, why did Reid prevent debate? you wanted jobs bills from the Republicans, I gave you one from each House, neither were debated in the Senate which is typical of liberalism who only want the issue never a solution to the problems. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty as you have?
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If you mean H.R. 1745, which you linked to above, it's a House bill. As Reid isn't in the House he doesn't have much say in the matter. In fact, the bill hasn't even been voted on in the House. Why is Boehner letting it die in committee?
 
AdamT said:
If you mean H.R. 1745, which you linked to above, it's a House bill. As Reid isn't in the House he doesn't have much say in the matter. In fact, the bill hasn't even been voted on in the House. Why is Boehner letting it die in committee?
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You asked for the proposal from the House and the Senate, I provided both. Status of the bill is as follows:

Bill Summary & Status - 112th Congress (2011 - 2012) - H.R.1745 - All Congressional Actions - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
 
Conservative said:
Obviously you read the first line which to a liberal is like putting a red cape in front of a bull. You didn't go any further and thus missed some good job proposal ideas which of course will be ignored by those who believe it is the role of the govt. to create jobs. How is that nanny state working out for you when you view what is going on around the world?
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I did read the first line and asked you a question about it and so far you've not answered my question.

pbrauer said:
Tell me how a Balanced Budget amendment that would take years if ever to pass help???
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pbrauer said:
I did read the first line and asked you a question about it and so far you've not answered my question.
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Very simple, it puts fiscal responsibility back into the govt. and when the budget is balanced that means less debt service or money borrowed which makes more money available to businesses and lower interest rates to consumers thus creating more economic growth. You really don't understand fiscal responsibility, do you?
 
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