Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
Then give me any credible source that quantifies job saved? States weren't even given the opportunity to save their own jobs. That is nothing more than liberal bull**** and what you want to believe.

I've already given you the link to the stimulus site. The jobs created or saved numbers are reported by the states. Play with the interactive map feature. I'm sure you will find that scores of projects were financed in your own county.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
I've already given you the link to the stimulus site. The jobs created or saved numbers are reported by the states. Play with the interactive map feature. I'm sure you will find that scores of projects were financed in your own county.

It is pure speculation and there is absolutely no evidence that those jobs needed Federal dollars to be "saved" and you know it. If someone offers you money that doesn't require you to use your own, what would you do?

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
How many jobs were created and how many jobs were saved? Provide specifics? Why only 3.5 million, why not 5 million or wipe out the entire job losses over the past 10years?

It's impossible to say with precision. You have to rely on self reporting by the states and estimates by economists. PolitiFact | Obama says stimulus is responsible for 2 million jobs saved or created

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
It's impossible to say with precision. You have to rely on self reporting by the states and estimates by economists. PolitiFact | Obama says stimulus is responsible for 2 million jobs saved or created

2 million? Thought it was 3.5 million? How many were saved and how many were created? According to BLS looks like since we lost 3 million jobs since Obama took office they all had to be saved jobs which of course no one can prove that those jobs wouldn't have been saved anyway if the states would have been forced to take responsibility for their own expenses. Looks like there is a 1.5 million discrepency between the Obama Admin and PolitiFact

1Perry · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
It's impossible to say with precision. You have to rely on self reporting by the states and estimates by economists. PolitiFact | Obama says stimulus is responsible for 2 million jobs saved or created

Impossible is indeed correct.

Colleges Contribute to Overreporting of Jobs Saved by Stimulus

Quick Takes: Colleges Contribute to Overreporting of Jobs Saved by Stimulus - Inside Higher Ed

The Media Fall for Phony 'Jobs' Claims

The Media Fall for Phony 'Jobs' Claims - WSJ.com

If this is what Obama hopes to show as the results of $800 billion, good luck with that.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

1Perry said:
Impossible is indeed correct.

Colleges Contribute to Overreporting of Jobs Saved by Stimulus

Quick Takes: Colleges Contribute to Overreporting of Jobs Saved by Stimulus - Inside Higher Ed

The Media Fall for Phony 'Jobs' Claims

The Media Fall for Phony 'Jobs' Claims - WSJ.com

If this is what Obama hopes to show as the results of $800 billion, good luck with that.

Good information but no liberal wants to hear that they were lied to by Obama even though most of us know that to be the case. Not sure what it is about liberalism that creates such loyalty

pbrauer · Aug 30, 2011

1perry said:
the media fall for phony 'jobs' claims

the media fall for phony 'jobs' claims - wsj.com

if this is what obama hopes to show as the results of $800 billion, good luck with that.

opinion!....

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Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

pbrauer said:
opinion!....

William McGurn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What exactly do you call this?

It's impossible to say with precision. You have to rely on self reporting by the states and estimates by economists

that is why saved jobs is nothing more than a pipe dream and designed to make Obama look better than he is. The actual numbers show exactly how bad he is. 3 million fewer people employed today than when he took office.

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
2 million? Thought it was 3.5 million? How many were saved and how many were created? According to BLS looks like since we lost 3 million jobs since Obama took office they all had to be saved jobs which of course no one can prove that those jobs wouldn't have been saved anyway if the states would have been forced to take responsibility for their own expenses. Looks like there is a 1.5 million discrepency between the Obama Admin and PolitiFact

Check the date of the article.

Okay, now you prove that employment wouldn't have been any different without the stimulus.

opcorn2:

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Misterveritis said:
LOL. The people can rebel. Therefore an armed populace is the final arbiter. We can hit the reset button.

This isn't the 1700's. An armed rebellion wouldn't last very long against our military. And if by some miracle, such a rebellion could take over our government, you're talking about a total revolution which renders the Constitution worthless anyway. Therefore, the people still don't arbitrate the Constitution. At least not the one we have now.

Only the U.S. Supreme Court gets the final decision on what is and what is not Constitutional.

And to return this wildly outrageous detour to its rightful path; the Supreme Court, in their decision in U.S. V. Butler, took the Hamiltonian view that the first two enumerated powers are not limited to the others which follow.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
Check the date of the article.

Okay, now you prove that employment wouldn't have been any different without the stimulus. opcorn2:

Cannot be done, only opinions. Just so you know that I can give you credit, this is the most accurate statement you have ever made,

It's impossible to say with precision. You have to rely on self reporting by the states and estimates by economists

That says it all and my point all along. Now you agree with me.

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
What exactly do you call this?

that is why saved jobs is nothing more than a pipe dream and designed to make Obama look better than he is. The actual numbers show exactly how bad he is. 3 million fewer people employed today than when he took office.

It's no pipe dream. If you don't think that pumping close to a trillion dollars into the economy created and saved jobs then you are simply ignorant of basic economics.

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
Cannot be done, only opinions. Just so you know that I can give you credit, this is the most accurate statement you have ever made,

As I said two pages back, "neither one of us can prove our cases. We just have to rely on the experts and common sense."

Now you agree with me.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
It's no pipe dream. If you don't think that pumping close to a trillion dollars into the economy created and saved jobs then you are simply ignorant of basic economics.

It wasn't pumped into the economy. the only thing pumped into the economy was the rebate checks Obama gave everyone under a certain income. Everything else was bailing out unions, spending money to shore up his base. You don't seem to have a clue as to what the stimulus did and the results show it didn't do much if anything thus was a failure.

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
It wasn't pumped into the economy. the only thing pumped into the economy was the rebate checks Obama gave everyone under a certain income. Everything else was bailing out unions, spending money to shore up his base. You don't seem to have a clue as to what the stimulus did and the results show it didn't do much if anything thus was a failure.

Patently false. Try again.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
As I said two pages back, "neither one of us can prove our cases. We just have to rely on the experts and common sense."

Now you agree with me.

I can prove that there are fewer people in the labor force, fewer people employed, more unemployed than when Obama took office. You cannot prove that Obama saved or created 3.5 million jobs. That is opinion only. Wonder if you would buy a Republican claiming jobs saved?

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
The Bureau of Labor Statistics is responsible for reporting employment and unemployment. I have posted the data from that site and given you the link.

I find it hard to accept you are stupid enough to believe that the BLS numbers you post bear any indication on how many jobs Obama's Stimulus saved or created.

Your argument is like saying if you earn $1000 in a day but lost $3000 playing Texas Hold'em, because you you're down $2000 for the day, you didn't earn $1000.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
Patently false. Try again.

The results say it all

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38-41% JAR and well over 55% disapproval ratings.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I find it hard to accept you are stupid enough to believe that the BLS numbers you post bear any indication on how many jobs Obama's Stimulus saved or created.

Your argument is like saying if you earn $1000 in a day but lost $3000 playing Texas Hold'em, because you you're down $2000 for the day, you didn't earn $1000.

Then prove that Obama saved any jobs, where is the site that reports saved jobs and specifically counts them. All Opinions. BLS doesn't report saved jobs only lost jobs, the labor force, and employment.

Adam is right on this issue,

It's impossible to say with precision. You have to rely on self reporting by the states and estimates by economists

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
The results say it all

Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. First President in U.S. History to have our credit downgraded on his watch! 38-41% JAR and well over 55% disapproval ratings.

No, as usual the rote recitation is only half the equation.

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
Then prove that Obama saved any jobs, where is the site that reports saved jobs and specifically counts them. All Opinions. BLS doesn't report saved jobs only lost jobs, the labor force, and employment.

Adam is right on this issue,

As explained countless times, jobs saved can only be estimated. A good indication is the rapidly rising unemployment we're seeing now in state and local governments as stimulus funds run out.

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
No, as usual the rote recitation is only half the equation.

Cute, now pay attention to the results. Rainman won a lot of money in Vegas. Too bad many are still brainwashed by the Obama rhetoric.

AdamT · Aug 30, 2011

Jobs saved that are now falling by the wayside as a result of waning stimulus funds:

Reuters--

"NEW YORK (Joan Gralla) - Around 450,000 people who work for U.S. states, counties, cities, towns and villages could get pink slips in fiscal 2012, sharply up from the 300,000 positions shed this year, a report said on Monday.

The number of job cuts will rise mainly because the federal stimulus program is ending while the cost of Medicaid is "spiraling," said the report by UBS Investment Research.

States got billions of extra dollars primarily for education and Medicaid from the stimulus plan. Medicaid is the state-federal health plan for the poor and disabled.

Maury Harris, a UBS economist, on a conference call said the deficits states and municipalities will have to close will climb to $155 billion in fiscal 2012 from about $108 billion in the current fiscal year.

Most states and municipalities begin new fiscal years on July 1.

The deep cuts state and local governments will have to make to balance their books in the next fiscal year should clip about one percentage point from the U.S. gross domestic product -- about 30 basis points more than in the current fiscal year, the report said. "The public sector is holding back growth but it doesn't derail it altogether," Harris said."

State, Local Governments Could Layoff 450,000 Workers Next Year, Report Says

Conservative · Aug 30, 2011

AdamT said:
Jobs saved that are now falling by the wayside as a result of waning stimulus funds:

Reuters--

"NEW YORK (Joan Gralla) - Around 450,000 people who work for U.S. states, counties, cities, towns and villages could get pink slips in fiscal 2012, sharply up from the 300,000 positions shed this year, a report said on Monday.

The number of job cuts will rise mainly because the federal stimulus program is ending while the cost of Medicaid is "spiraling," said the report by UBS Investment Research.

States got billions of extra dollars primarily for education and Medicaid from the stimulus plan. Medicaid is the state-federal health plan for the poor and disabled.

Maury Harris, a UBS economist, on a conference call said the deficits states and municipalities will have to close will climb to $155 billion in fiscal 2012 from about $108 billion in the current fiscal year.

Most states and municipalities begin new fiscal years on July 1.

The deep cuts state and local governments will have to make to balance their books in the next fiscal year should clip about one percentage point from the U.S. gross domestic product -- about 30 basis points more than in the current fiscal year, the report said. "The public sector is holding back growth but it doesn't derail it altogether," Harris said."

State, Local Governments Could Layoff 450,000 Workers Next Year, Report Says

You don't seem to get it, that is a state responsibility, not a Federal Responsibility. States weren't forced to make tough choices, they were offered money and took it. there is no proof that those people were going to get pink slips, could is not a guarantee. It is not the Federal Government's role to make up state shortfalls but Obama bailed out his base, the unions.

Sheik Yerbuti · Aug 30, 2011

Conservative said:
Then prove that Obama saved any jobs, where is the site that reports saved jobs and specifically counts them. All Opinions. BLS doesn't report saved jobs only lost jobs, the labor force, and employment.

When someone suffering from ODS says something positive about Obama, especially when they don't realize what they're saying, it's evidence enough for me.

Without understanding what you were saying, you said the results of Obama's stimulus cost us $228,000 per job, i.e., 3½ million jobs saved or created.