• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

Status
Not open for further replies.
1Perry said:
Unemployment isn't higher?
Click to expand...
Higher than what? Than when Obama took over? Yes, because we lost an addtional 3 million jobs until Bush's Great Recession ended after Obama was sworn in. That was on top of the 5 million we lost during the Great Recession leading up to Obama's inauguration. Given the state of the economy, do you find it reasonable to blame Obama for people losing their job during the recession he inherited?

1Perry said:
We aren't further in debt?
Click to expand...
When hasn't the debt grown?

1Perry said:
Anyone predicting a positive result like Reagan saw in 83?
Click to expand...
It doesn't look likely, however there are stark differences in the economy, most notably, Reagan's recession was intentionally brought on and somewhat controlled by controlling interest rates. Whereas Bush's Great Recession was built on the collapse of the housing markets, credit markets, combined with companies moving portions of their business offshore. Recovering from this economy is not as simple as it just lowering interest rates like it was in the 80's.
 
I might add that Reagan didn't have an opposition party that opposed virtually everything he tried to accomplish in knee-jerk fashion. Seems that Democrats were actually more interested in trying things that might help versus playing chicken with the U.S. economy to score political points against Reagan.
 
1Perry said:
Opinion noted. (p.s that you would pick 1982 as a reference point to 2008 allows me to dismiss you. The economy tanked way before that)
Click to expand...

Fine choose 1981 or 1980 or 1979

The issue stilll stands the economic conditions in the late 70s and early 80s is far different thern the economic conditions of the late 2000s and early 2010s. The abilty to use debt to stimulate the economy now is far less then in the early 80s as the amount of debt in the economy as % of GDP is far greater now then it was then, and debt was the method of exiting the 1980s econimic malaise
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Higher than what? Than when Obama took over? Yes, because we lost an addtional 3 million jobs until Bush's Great Recession ended after Obama was sworn in. That was on top of the 5 million we lost during the Great Recession leading up to Obama's inauguration. Given the state of the economy, do you find it reasonable to blame Obama for people losing their job during the recession he inherited?


When hasn't the debt grown?


It doesn't look likely, however there are stark differences in the economy, most notably, Reagan's recession was intentionally brought on and somewhat controlled by controlling interest rates. Whereas Bush's Great Recession was built on the collapse of the housing markets, credit markets, combined with companies moving portions of their business offshore. Recovering from this economy is not as simple as it just lowering interest rates like it was in the 80's.
Click to expand...


To note the recession of the early 80s was self inflected. Volker raised interesst rates at the fed drastically in order to put a lid on inflation
 
AdamT said:
I might add that Reagan didn't have an opposition party that opposed virtually everything he tried to accomplish in knee-jerk fashion. Seems that Democrats were actually more interested in trying things that might help versus playing chicken with the U.S. economy to score political points against Reagan.
Click to expand...
Which included increasing the debt ceiling 18 times without the need to raise it to a national crisis to the point of triggering a credit downgrade. Republicans these daze are a special breed.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Which included increasing the debt ceiling 18 times without the need to raise it to a national crisis to the point of triggering a credit downgrade. Republicans these daze are a special breed.
Click to expand...


Republicans with the capitol R wouldn’t recognize what call themselves republicans today.
 
At least some of them are getting the message. And this is why Rick Perry wouldn't stand a chance in the general election:

"As Republican lawmakers held constituent meetings in their home districts over the August recess, they were often confronted for taking hard-right positions on everything from taxes to entitlement reform, sending a message that at least Sen. John Thune (R-SD) seems to have noticed. Thune said the main things he heard from constitutes was frustration over Congress’ inability to work together and opposition to cuts to social safety net programs, the Argus Leader reports:


“Do something,” Thune said Wednesday after a town hall meeting at the Brandon Municipal Golf Course. “Why can’t you work together? There’s a high level of frustration with the inaction, and there’s a lack of confidence in the country and the economy. They want to see us get something done.”

That’s one of the major insights he’ll take back to Washington, D.C. after the August recess, he said.

It ranks behind “don’t cut my Social Security and Medicare. I’ve heard that quite a bit,” Thune said.


Thune: Top Message I Got From Town Halls Is ‘Don’t Cut My Social Security And Medicare’ | ThinkProgress
 
Last edited:
ufimych said:
I do not approve Obama, but I will vote for him.
Click to expand...

Why would you do that? Is this a Black thing?

Obama is a total failure, and know some people who have limited mental acuity think he's brilliant they have nothing to base that on. EVery program he's come up with has failed and cost "We the People" billions, and fixed not one damn thing.

Someone recently said they'd sooner vote for a can of corn or words to that effect.

I would personally sooner vote for a box of rocks than Obama, he lacks the Management skills to to run a pay toilet.
 
Last edited:
Sheik Yerbuti said:
It doesn't look likely, however there are stark differences in the economy, most notably, Reagan's recession was intentionally brought on and somewhat controlled by controlling interest rates. Whereas Bush's Great Recession was built on the collapse of the housing markets, credit markets, combined with companies moving portions of their business offshore. Recovering from this economy is not as simple as it just lowering interest rates like it was in the 80's.
Click to expand...

Obviously you weren't around then. We were actually having similiar discussions about about Japan back then as we do about China today. I'm not sure who thought that 20% interest rates were a good idea.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Fine choose 1981 or 1980 or 1979

The issue stilll stands the economic conditions in the late 70s and early 80s is far different thern the economic conditions of the late 2000s and early 2010s. The abilty to use debt to stimulate the economy now is far less then in the early 80s as the amount of debt in the economy as % of GDP is far greater now then it was then, and debt was the method of exiting the 1980s econimic malaise
Click to expand...

We tried the "stimulant" route. It failed. It's foolish to argue that it just wasn't enough. No, the wrong group was stimulated. Wall Street as opposed to main street.
 
donc said:
Republicans with the capitol R wouldn’t recognize what call themselves republicans today.
Click to expand...

Yeah, and JFK would have to have been a conservative today as well.

Both parties have moved to a more pronounced ideological stance within. To deny that is dishonest at its core.

J-mac
 
j-mac said:
Both parties have moved to a more pronounced ideological stance within. To deny that is dishonest at its core.
Click to expand...

Agreed. Whoever runs against Obama MUST be considered. Even the "free stuff" some of the morons haven't gotten must make them question their love drunk vote they cast.
 
donc said:
Republicans with the capitol R wouldn’t recognize what call themselves republicans today.
Click to expand...


You are so right...I am one of those who cant identify the republican party....and I dont want any part of this new one either
 
I would like to see the birth of five parties in our system. Currently I feel it is extremely hard to find a canidate that even makes sense to me.
 
AdamT said:
I might add that Reagan didn't have an opposition party that opposed virtually everything he tried to accomplish in knee-jerk fashion. Seems that Democrats were actually more interested in trying things that might help versus playing chicken with the U.S. economy to score political points against Reagan.
Click to expand...

You continue to show that you were either too young or weren't even around during the early Reagan years. Tip O'Neill was Speaker of the House and claimed that Reagan Budgets were Dead on Arrival so Reagan took his message to the American people and won the debate. The people forced their Representatives to vote for the Reagan Budgets and economic policy which led to the Reagan successes of the 80's. You really need a different history book and actually do some research.
 
AdamT said:
At least some of them are getting the message. And this is why Rick Perry wouldn't stand a chance in the general election:

"As Republican lawmakers held constituent meetings in their home districts over the August recess, they were often confronted for taking hard-right positions on everything from taxes to entitlement reform, sending a message that at least Sen. John Thune (R-SD) seems to have noticed. Thune said the main things he heard from constitutes was frustration over Congress’ inability to work together and opposition to cuts to social safety net programs, the Argus Leader reports:


“Do something,” Thune said Wednesday after a town hall meeting at the Brandon Municipal Golf Course. “Why can’t you work together? There’s a high level of frustration with the inaction, and there’s a lack of confidence in the country and the economy. They want to see us get something done.”

That’s one of the major insights he’ll take back to Washington, D.C. after the August recess, he said.

It ranks behind “don’t cut my Social Security and Medicare. I’ve heard that quite a bit,” Thune said.


Thune: Top Message I Got From Town Halls Is ‘Don’t Cut My Social Security And Medicare’ | ThinkProgress
Click to expand...

Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and continue supporting the empty suit in the WH. The Obama results speak for themselves and have generate the current 38% approval rating. Apparently you know something the large majority in this country don't.
 
Conservative said:
You continue to show that you were either too young or weren't even around during the early Reagan years. Tip O'Neill was Speaker of the House and claimed that Reagan Budgets were Dead on Arrival so Reagan took his message to the American people and won the debate. The people forced their Representatives to vote for the Reagan Budgets and economic policy which led to the Reagan successes of the 80's. You really need a different history book and actually do some research.
Click to expand...

The point is that Democrats voted for Reagan's agenda, which he never could have passed without them. In contrast, the American people clearly support many parts of Obama's agenda (e.g. repeal tax cuts for wealthy), but Republicans could not care less. They oppose Obama no matter what he does and no matter whether he has public opinion on his side. Wake up.
 
AdamT said:
The point is that Democrats voted for Reagan's agenda, which he never could have passed without them. In contrast, the American people clearly support many parts of Obama's agenda (e.g. repeal tax cuts for wealthy), but Republicans could not care less. They oppose Obama no matter what he does and no matter whether he has public opinion on his side. Wake up.
Click to expand...

The point is Reagan went to the American people and Democrats who wanted to keep their job saw the support the people had for Reagan and 60 of them voted for the Reagan tax cuts. Obama had total control of Congress for 2 years and drove up the debt and instead of creating policies promoting job growth he bailed out unions and created the job killer called Obamacare. Your comments are typical of the 38% that still support Obama, out of touch with reality.
 
Conservative said:
The point is Reagan went to the American people and Democrats who wanted to keep their job saw the support the people had for Reagan and 60 of them voted for the Reagan tax cuts. Obama had total control of Congress for 2 years and drove up the debt and instead of creating policies promoting job growth he bailed out unions and created the job killer called Obamacare. Your comments are typical of the 38% that still support Obama, out of touch with reality.
Click to expand...

That's right, the Democrats, unlike today's republicans, were actually responsive to what the American people wanted. The fact that republicans are not responsive will come back to bite them on the a$$ next year.
 
AdamT said:
That's right, the Democrats, unlike today's republicans, were actually responsive to what the American people wanted. The fact that republicans are not responsive will come back to bite them on the a$$ next year.
Click to expand...

The Nov. 2010 elections told the politicians what they wanted, cuts in Federal Spending and that is what the House is doing. Elections have consequences and you are going to see the consequences in Nov. 2012
 
AdamT said:
The point is that Democrats voted for Reagan's agenda, which he never could have passed without them. In contrast, the American people clearly support many parts of Obama's agenda (e.g. repeal tax cuts for wealthy), but Republicans could not care less. They oppose Obama no matter what he does and no matter whether he has public opinion on his side. Wake up.
Click to expand...

The Dems had enough votes to end these cuts on the their own. They didn't. If Obama really thought that increasing taxes were the popular choice, like Reagan he would have taken the arguement to the American people. He didn't.
 
1Perry said:
The Dems had enough votes to end these cuts on the their own. They didn't. If Obama really thought that increasing taxes were the popular choice, like Reagan he would have taken the arguement to the American people. He didn't.
Click to expand...

Obama said he would take his message to the American people and the American people have spoken, Obama has an approval rating of 38% today
 
I watched the video and listened to every word. I heard nothing objectionable. What specifically is the problem here?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom