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Obama's Approval Rating Drops to Lowest Ever, According to Gallup

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Conservative said:
"Do you ever top lying?" Post the rest of what I said
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I don't lie -- I'm not you. (thank G-d)

You said "the results" of Obama's stimulus was a cost of $228,000 per job.

You didn't express any doubt that that number was wrong until after I pointed out the implication of that number meant 3.5 million saved/created jobs.

You didn't express any disbelief in that number until after I pointed out the implication of that number meant 3.5 million saved/created jobs.

You believed that number was true and you were even asking other posters how they felt spending that much per job. I love how you were asking people how they felt spending $228,000 per job, a number you now claim you never believed.

Should people on this forum assume you don't believe anything you post?
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
I don't lie -- I'm not you. (thank G-d)

You said "the results" of Obama's stimulus was a cost of $228,000 per job.

You didn't express any doubt that that number was wrong until after I pointed out the implication of that number meant 3.5 million saved/created jobs.

You didn't express any disbelief in that number until after I pointed out the implication of that number meant 3.5 million saved/created jobs.

You believed that number was true and you were even asking other posters how they felt spending that much per job. I love how you were asking people how they felt spending $228,000 per job, a number you now claim you never believed.

Should people on this forum assume you don't believe anything you post?
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If you want to continue to perpetuate this lie, so be it. I don't believe in saved jobs as they cannot be counted or proven. Since you won't post my entire post I will tell you what I said. I quoted the CBO report for December 2010 which made the statement that 3.5 million jobs were created or saved and then I APPLIED the amount spent on the stimulus to that number and stated that those were the CBO numbers which came from what Obama Administration and Congress gave them. Let me be clear, whether you believe I said it or not is irrelevant. What is relevant I don't believe 3.5 million jobs were created or SAVED and neither you or anyone else has proven that. BLS doesn't report saved jobs and that is what I always use. Now carry on with the lies.
 
Conservative said:
If you want to continue to perpetuate this lie, so be it. I don't believe in saved jobs as they cannot be counted or proven. Since you won't post my entire post I will tell you what I said. I quoted the CBO report for December 2010 which made the statement that 3.5 million jobs were created or saved and then I APPLIED the amount spent on the stimulus to that number and stated that those were the CBO numbers which came from what Obama Administration and Congress gave them. Let me be clear, whether you believe I said it or not is irrelevant. What is relevant I don't believe 3.5 million jobs were created or SAVED and neither you or anyone else has proven that. BLS doesn't report saved jobs and that is what I always use. Now carry on with the lies.
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I'm not perpetuating any lie; I'm not letting you get away with your lie.

You were expressing outrage that each job created or saved cost us $228,000 -- why were you outraged if you really didn't believe that number?

You were asking others how they felt about spending $228,000 for every job saved or created -- why were you asking people if they were also outraged by that number if you really didn't believe it?

The answer is -- you did believe it. You really thought each job cost us $228,000. That's why you posted that. That's why you were outraged that each job cost that much. When people are outraged over numbers they don't believe are accurate, their outrage is directed at the incorrectness of the numbers; your outrage was not that the numbers were wrong, but that the numbers were right and those numbers cost us $228,000 per job.

You can't alter what you wrote...


"Don't you just love the Obama results? 15 million unemployed, 3.5 trillion added to the debt, 821 billion stimulus program that created or "saved" jobs that cost the taxpayer $228,000 each. Those are the results "your" President generated and why he got shellacked in 2010." ~ Conservative
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After you posted that, and other similar posts where you expressed outrage that each stimulus job cost us $228,000, I pointed out to you that you unwittingly admitted that Obama's stimulus saved and created 3.5 million jobs. Half a million more than his stimulus targeted...

... you've been crying how you now don't believe the numbers you once claimed were the result of Obama's stimulus.

It's part and parcell with you. You have been caught many times cherry-picking data you think helps your position. That's all you're doing here. When you liked the sound of $228,000 per stimulus job, that's what you posted; when you didn't like the sound of that meaning 3.5 million jobs were saved/created, your cherry-picking goalpost-moving instincts kicked into high gear and led you to now tell the forum you don't believe what you post.

So why should anyone else believe what you post when you don't believe what you post?
 
AdamT said:
Aaaanyway, I guess we've covered Obama's approval rating in 96 pages. ;)

New poll out today shows Congress' approval at 12%, John Boehner's approval at 29%, and approval of the Tea Party at 25%.

Kinda makes Obama's 41% look not so bad, eh?

Congress Approval Rating Drops To Lowest Level In History Of AP Poll
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And if you analyze the results of that number you find that diehard liberals are part of that 41%. What are they going to do, not vote for Obama?
 
AdamT said:
Aaaanyway, I guess we've covered Obama's approval rating in 96 pages. ;)

New poll out today shows Congress' approval at 12%, John Boehner's approval at 29%, and approval of the Tea Party at 25%.

Kinda makes Obama's 41% look not so bad, eh?

Congress Approval Rating Drops To Lowest Level In History Of AP Poll
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Let's see a President get re-elected with a 41% approval rating. Doesn't seem to take much to impress you if you think a 41% approval rating doesn't look too bad. Seems you are one of the 41% that doesn't care about results.
 
xpiher said:
And if you analyze the results of that number you find that diehard liberals are part of that 41%. What are they going to do, not vote for Obama?
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The election will be decided by, the independents. Obama had a lock on them in 2008 (2 to 1) and needs to do it again in order to win again, but theres a problemo. He's losing them over his economic performance.

Poll after poll has shown this.

The big question is can Perry get the indies to vote for him?
 
If you think independents are going to vote for a guy who claims that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional I've got some swampland I'd like to sell you.
 
AdamT said:
If you think independents are going to vote for a guy who claims that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional I've got some swampland I'd like to sell you.
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What is Perry going to do about it even if what you say is true? You better understand that SS and Medicare are both broke. If you think independents are going to vote again for continuation of the results Obama has generated then you are the one that already bought the swampland.
 
AdamT said:
If you think independents are going to vote for a guy who claims that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional I've got some swampland I'd like to sell you.
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I am against social security and could care less about Medicare. It needs serious reform and takes men with balls to do it

Ya see, the left knows, the wimpy conservatives and Reps (although not the same) can't come out against these socialist programs in a hard manner. To do so means political suicide and forfeits all future elections because of the voting lcharacteristics of a population.

Nobody has been willing to touch Social Security and Medicare. Reason why there is very little actual policy difference between democrats and republicans once they are in office.

These are the elephants in the room, not discretionary spending.
 
ric27 said:
I am against social security and could care less about Medicare. It needs serious reform and takes men with balls to do it

Ya see, the left knows, the wimpy conservatives and Reps (although not the same) can't come out against these socialist programs in a hard manner. To do so means political suicide and forfeits all future elections because of the voting lcharacteristics of a population.

Nobody has been willing to touch Social Security and Medicare. Reason why there is very little actual policy difference between democrats and republicans once they are in office.

These are the elephants in the room, not discretionary spending.
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What is really scary is the lack of understanding most people have about the U.S. Budget and what makes up that budget. Medicare and SS are over 60% of that budget leaving 40% Discretionary spending. You can cut the discretionary spending to the bone and not impact the deficit much at all so you are right on regarding the elephant in the room and I don't mean Republicans. Medicare and SS have to be reformed only because the Federal Govt. spent all the money on programs other than Medicare and SS.
 
ric27 said:
I am against social security and could care less about Medicare. It needs serious reform and takes men with balls to do it

Ya see, the left knows, the wimpy conservatives and Reps (although not the same) can't come out against these socialist programs in a hard manner. To do so means political suicide and forfeits all future elections because of the voting lcharacteristics of a population.

Nobody has been willing to touch Social Security and Medicare. Reason why there is very little actual policy difference between democrats and republicans once they are in office.

These are the elephants in the room, not discretionary spending.
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The reason why no one wants to touch them is that most Americans REALLY REALLY like those programs, and if you eff with them they WILL cut your throat.
 
Conservative said:
Let's see a President get re-elected with a 41% approval rating. Doesn't seem to take much to impress you if you think a 41% approval rating doesn't look too bad. Seems you are one of the 41% that doesn't care about results.
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I imagine Democrats thought the same thing about Reagan when his JAR sank to 35%.
 
AdamT said:
The reason why no one wants to touch them is that most Americans REALLY REALLY like those programs, and if you eff with them they WILL cut your throat.
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Until we get serious about getting our financial house in order, markets and credit rating agencies will continue to hammer us--- and rightly so. Don't be surprised to see yet another downgrade from S&P if Congress and POTUS can't get their **** together.

We have 2 issues....a political and an economic one. The first step to a solution is simple --- Get rid of Obama in 2012 as well as the likes, Pelosi, Wasserman-Shultz, Schumer, and other asshats who do the bidding for the extreme left wing fringe of this country. These individuals truly believe that government is the solution to all of the social distress facing our country.

The one trick pony must leave
 
ric27 said:
Until we get serious about getting our financial house in order, markets and credit rating agencies will continue to hammer us--- and rightly so. Don't be surprised to see yet another downgrade from S&P if Congress and POTUS can't get their **** together.

We have 2 issues....a political and an economic one. The first step to a solution is simple --- Get rid of Obama in 2012 as well as the likes, Pelosi, Wasserman-Shultz, Schumer, and other asshats who do the bidding for the extreme left wing fringe of this country. These individuals truly believe that government is the solution to all of the social distress facing our country.

The one trick pony must leave
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There is no extreme left wing in American politics any more. Obama and that crew are moderates. You just think they're extreme because the right wing has moved just to the left of Hitler.

There's no question that Medicare needs to be addressed. But as a practical matter it's suicidal for politicians to threaten its existence. As you shall see in 2012.
 
Conservative said:
Here are the official numbers since 2001 the state has increased Govt. jobs from 1.565 million to 1.77 or 205,000. Total employment went from 9.5 million to 10.6 million or 1.2 million which makes govt. employment about 18% with a 20% increase in population.

Guess I just don't see that decrease in private sector jobs you claim happened. Don't you ever get embarrassed by being wrong so often?

Government employment by month from 2001 to 2011

2001 1565.7 1594.7 1600.0 1601.2 1602.0 1559.7 1494.2 1522.8 1603.1 1624.1 1636.3 1630.8 1586.2
2002 1605.4 1638.0 1645.1 1644.7 1647.4 1599.6 1530.3 1550.8 1632.5 1668.1 1677.9 1671.6 1626.0
2003 1642.8 1677.8 1676.1 1677.4 1677.2 1632.1 1555.4 1570.5 1642.2 1664.1 1673.3 1663.7 1646.1
2004 1640.2 1674.4 1676.1 1676.7 1678.7 1636.7 1568.0 1586.2 1661.9 1684.8 1693.9 1688.5 1655.5
2005 1666.5 1700.7 1703.1 1705.2 1707.0 1660.4 1597.5 1618.4 1690.3 1715.9 1727.8 1715.4 1684.0
2006 1696.4 1728.9 1730.0 1726.5 1727.2 1683.9 1609.0 1634.8 1711.3 1741.2 1750.0 1742.5 1706.8
2007 1716.3 1748.1 1754.5 1753.7 1756.7 1717.4 1646.5 1655.6 1731.5 1771.0 1786.0 1781.6 1734.9
2008 1761.8 1793.7 1801.9 1795.2 1799.2 1763.9 1694.1 1701.5 1773.8 1809.5 1828.6 1823.1 1778.9
2009 1804.1 1832.4 1839.2 1848.3 1847.8 1811.7 1735.4 1731.4 1808.4 1859.5 1872.2 1864.2 1821.2
2010 1836.3 1868.8 1881.2 1885.7 1920.6 1877.4 1781.4 1775.0 1833.0 1884.1 1896.7 1883.6 1860.3
2011 1859.4 1889.4 1890.4 1890.3 1882.2 1846.8 1766.8
Total Jobs by month

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 9541.2 9550.7 9556.8 9548.8 9544.0 9540.3 9519.5 9521.4 9504.5 9468.3 9447.9 9429.6
2002 9421.0 9414.8 9422.3 9420.1 9430.4 9423.4 9409.1 9414.9 9422.9 9410.1 9410.5 9401.9
2003 9395.4 9383.9 9365.9 9367.3 9360.1 9352.9 9345.0 9355.0 9368.7 9375.4 9384.6 9393.9
2004 9420.1 9428.2 9439.1 9459.0 9468.3 9480.6 9505.1 9522.6 9516.9 9566.1 9569.7 9581.4
2005 9605.0 9620.3 9638.9 9679.5 9693.3 9698.8 9764.0 9781.8 9809.3 9825.6 9868.6 9885.2
2006 9925.1 9946.8 9986.6 10000.0 10025.3 10051.1 10059.3 10106.5 10139.8 10152.7 10178.2 10212.2
2007 10230.3 10269.5 10314.1 10337.5 10362.8 10394.3 10418.5 10433.4 10452.7 10485.9 10506.5 10526.3
2008 10561.5 10595.0 10587.7 10612.0 10616.2 10626.7 10639.9 10642.4 10607.4 10617.3 10605.2 10574.5
2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9 10231.0 10220.6 10214.4 10212.0 10209.0
2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3 10361.8 10361.6 10384.9 10403.3 10444.7
2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5 10619.8
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Stop lying, Con. There are other public jobs besides government jobs. I notice you didn't post private sector jobs. Instead, you posted total jobs minus government jobs and then dishonestly called the remainder, "private jobs." What about teachers, postal employees, etc...

Do you ever stop lying?

Here's private sector jobs ...

Private:
Dec/2007: 8837.6
Jul/2011: 8804.4

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
 
AdamT said:
There is no extreme left wing in American politics any more. Obama and that crew are moderates. You just think they're extreme because the right wing has moved just to the left of Hitler.

There's no question that Medicare needs to be addressed. But as a practical matter it's suicidal for politicians to threaten its existence. As you shall see in 2012.
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Any of you have kids? Do you get money back at the end of the year in the form of child tax credits? What about writing off your kids or non spouses off on your tax return or writing off the interest to your mortgage payment on your tax return?


Have any of you ever taken any form of welfare from the government? Receiving military disability checks?...because all that **** has to go if we're going to balance the books. You can't have just a little socialism. It always grows.


Its the weight of these socialistic programs such as social security and medicare thats going to run this nation into the ground. We as a nation are balls deep in this cluster****
 
I agree: we need to raise taxes and reform entitlements.

But end military disability payments? Hell no.
 
ric27 said:
Any of you have kids? Do you get money back at the end of the year in the form of child tax credits? What about writing off your kids or non spouses off on your tax return or writing off the interest to your mortgage payment on your tax return?


Have any of you ever taken any form of welfare from the government? Receiving military disability checks?...because all that **** has to go if we're going to balance the books. You can't have just a little socialism. It always grows.


Its the weight of these socialistic programs such as social security and medicare thats going to run this nation into the ground. We as a nation are balls deep in this cluster****
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BS. We had all that and a balanced budget until Bush became president.
 
AdamT said:
I agree: we need to raise taxes and reform entitlements.

But end military disability payments? Hell no.
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There are no sacred cows here. All that crap has to go...because it will grind us down to what the Soviet Union looked like after the wall fell.
 
ric27 said:
There are no sacred cows here. All that crap has to go...because it will grind us down to what the Soviet Union looked like after the wall fell.
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Nonsense. The situation is serious but nothing we can't fix if those assholes in Washington would work together.
 
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